Episode 180: Loki + Chaos Walking

[00:00:04] Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Film Buds Podcast. This is episode number 180, right,

[00:00:21] Paul? Yeah, I honestly don't know. Yeah. And my name is Henry. And I'm Paul. And this

[00:00:29] week we have a special guest, Paul's wife, Lauren. Hi. Hi. So this is kind of a special

[00:00:37] episode. I guess first thing we should say is it's our first in-person recording, Film

[00:00:42] Buds recording since before the pandemic. And it's Paul's first in-person recording ever

[00:00:49] of history. Yeah. So yeah, thanks again for joining us. And this week we have a review

[00:00:55] of Loki, the new Marvel series. And then we have a review of Chaos Walking, the

[00:01:01] new sci-fi thriller with Daisy Ridley and Tom Holland. And then we have a listener question

[00:01:07] actually about the whole Scarlett Johansson contract debacle. Yeah. And you know, plenty

[00:01:15] else. So yeah. Well guys, how are you doing? It's weird to see you so up close. I'm doing

[00:01:22] well. It is certainly odd. Yeah. Let me lean closer in. No, it certainly is odd, you

[00:01:28] know. Normally it's my own headphones and my own mic and I'm sort of tucked away in a corner

[00:01:33] of her room. So it's nice to be back and you and I haven't seen each other in person

[00:01:38] just in general since like 2016, 2017 something like that. Yeah. When was the last time we

[00:01:47] saw? Was it college? Maybe. Or sometime like shortly thereafter. I think it was

[00:01:53] shortly thereafter. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, it's been a while and it feels weird to be back

[00:01:59] here. Oh, my dog. This used to happen all the time. So I guess it's spinning. Yes, my dog is

[00:02:11] joining us. So okay. Well, I guess the first kind of big thing that we should mention is

[00:02:18] the whole moving forward thing. Yeah. So all right, so if you didn't know, if you haven't

[00:02:25] listened to previous episodes or any recent ones, shame on you. Yeah, shame on you and

[00:02:31] yeah. Go back and re-listen. Yeah. So I joined the Air Force back in May and I have a ship

[00:02:39] date of August 17th. So it's about two, a little more than two weeks from this

[00:02:43] recording date. And so Paul here has graciously offered to pick up the production side of things

[00:02:51] and the hosting side of things while I'm away. I'm not leaving the show by any means. Oh,

[00:02:57] my, oh my. There you go. Sorry, I get my dog in and out here. Yeah. Yeah. He's agreed

[00:03:10] to take over things while I'm gone. I'm not leaving the show or anything like that.

[00:03:13] It's just I'll be taking a little bit of a brief hiatus while I don't really have access to

[00:03:18] recording or the usual setup. So Paul here will be doing things for a bit and then I'll come back

[00:03:24] as soon as I can and just pick up where I left off. So yeah, thank you, Paul. First of all.

[00:03:30] Yeah, absolutely. What's your plan here? Honestly, I don't have a clue yet.

[00:03:35] I'll probably find something to do. Nick, friend of the show Nick Delgadillo is probably

[00:03:41] going to come on. Great guy and help me out. I'll probably invite on a few other people as well

[00:03:47] and have a bit of fun with it. And I don't know what we're going to do show wise. I haven't looked

[00:03:55] ahead at any sort of dates or anything like that, what's going to be out. But expect to hear from

[00:04:01] some interesting people beyond just myself and you'll probably also have my wife on as a host

[00:04:08] as well. So it'll be fun. Yeah. And now Paul, you have to make sure to not get

[00:04:14] power, power crazy. Right? It can happen with a show like this. Go man. Yeah. With all the sway

[00:04:20] that I have over the listeners. Yeah. I mean, but you basically have the platform of like Billy

[00:04:24] Eilish. You know, it's that size. So yeah. So just keep that in mind and we'll

[00:04:34] we'll keep kind of repeating that over the next few weeks. But more than likely,

[00:04:38] I think next week will probably be my last one before I leave. Potentially I could do one more,

[00:04:42] but just depends on how busy things get for me on my end. So yeah, just know that and we'll

[00:04:50] the show will keep going. So don't don't you worry. All right. Well, should we get to it?

[00:04:56] We got plenty to talk about. Yeah, sure. All right. Well, let's get to our first review

[00:05:01] which is Loki and we have a clip. So take a listen. I'm agent Mobius, by the way.

[00:05:17] Are you taking me some way to kill me? No, that's where you just were. I'm taking some place to

[00:05:22] talk. I didn't like to talk. But you do like to lie, which you just did because we both know

[00:05:28] you love to talk. How long have you been here? I don't know. It's hard to say, you know,

[00:05:37] timebases differently here in the TVA. What does that mean? Your ketchup.

[00:05:44] So you're part of the TVA's courageous and dedicated workforce. Yes. You were created by the timekeepers.

[00:05:51] Yep. To protect the sacred timeline. Correct.

[00:05:57] Is that funny? The idea that your little club decides the fate of trillions of people across

[00:06:02] all of existence at the best of three space lizards. Yes, it's funny. It's absurd. I thought you didn't

[00:06:09] like to talk. All right. So Loki is on Disney Plus now and it's created by Michael Waldron

[00:06:20] and it stars Tom Hiddleston, Owen Wilson, Gugu and Bathara, Sophia DiMartino,

[00:06:27] Sasha Lane is another. I know there are some other people and anybody big I'm forgetting.

[00:06:38] No one comes to mind. Okay. And the synopsis is the mercurial villain Loki resumes his role as

[00:06:45] the god of mischief in a new series that takes place after the events of Avengers Endgame.

[00:06:51] In quotes. So this one is what the third Marvel series that has come out this year and we've

[00:07:00] reviewed the first two already. So yeah, well you would y'all like to kick it off? Did you both

[00:07:08] see the show? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you want to take? Do you want to start it?

[00:07:13] I do not. Okay. I'll start it then. I saw the trailer for it and I liked the

[00:07:21] trailer obviously. I try to keep up with marketing for a lot of films. I know that some people are

[00:07:26] anti-trailer but I like to keep up. So I had gone into it looking forward to it fine enough.

[00:07:36] The Loki fandom as a specific sort of subsect of the Marvel fandom is a

[00:07:42] fervent group. You can say it. I'll say. You know the diehards are quite a lot to deal with so

[00:07:51] I knew that this show would have a lot of expectations about what Loki is as a character

[00:07:56] and things like that. So I wasn't sure. I had some trepidations about it, you know, especially

[00:08:01] because for me Loki is one of those characters where pretty much since Avengers I'm not sure

[00:08:07] that we've ever hit anything quite as good as the first Thor and the first Avengers in terms of

[00:08:13] like an onscreen portrayal of Loki. Right? So I was worried that it was going to be sort of the

[00:08:20] worst case scenario a little bit, you know, a little bit pandering but I honestly,

[00:08:26] I was pretty pleased with it. It took me a little bit longer to get into it. It took me

[00:08:29] like three episodes to really finally be like okay I'm enjoying this actively

[00:08:35] but I liked it. What about you? It took me to the end to really

[00:08:42] also I feel like the pressure is on now because like when we're doing zoom if I didn't like something

[00:08:48] I could be like what does it matter? I'm two hours away. What's he gonna do?

[00:08:55] So I mean, I liked I liked Falcon and the Winter Soldier a fair bit. I didn't love Wanda

[00:09:02] Vision as much as some people did. When I heard about this, I think Loki and Tom Hiddleston are

[00:09:09] one of the better parts of the MCU for me and so I was interested but I didn't know a whole

[00:09:14] lot going in and I guess the biggest issue for me was I just found it to be kind of boring.

[00:09:19] My eyes were drooping hard. Okay. And there were parts of it I liked. I liked it kind

[00:09:25] of had a fallout vibe, the style of it and I enjoyed that and the apocalyptic kind of vibe

[00:09:30] but it just felt a little too loosely tied together and I just was kind of I was phasing in and out

[00:09:38] a lot during it which is too bad because I really again I enjoy the character but

[00:09:43] it just for this story I'm fine with the Loki series but by the end I just didn't really

[00:09:51] I don't think I needed this story because I feel like by the end I didn't

[00:09:55] learn a whole lot else about him that I didn't already know.

[00:09:59] Yeah, no and I think that I think that that's a really good point you know we

[00:10:05] with the with Loki in the MCU you get to have him for multiple films that take him on a whole

[00:10:12] journey from you know sort of tragic villain to villain villain to you know finally getting

[00:10:21] redemption and and absolving himself of you know his sins by trying to sacrifice himself for the

[00:10:30] greater good and so we already went on that whole complete journey with him and so it is kind of like

[00:10:38] a back to square one sort of regrow him through the same journey on a certain level back to

[00:10:45] being not awful right and that's a little bit of a of a painful journey I think on a certain level

[00:10:55] especially when you know it doesn't have like a divergent course at the end at the end he still

[00:11:00] sort of chooses you know goodness on a certain level.

[00:11:04] Yeah Lauren what about what about you?

[00:11:08] Honestly so starting this one I wasn't really into it honestly I liked

[00:11:16] I liked where it was going I didn't really know I feel like I needed maybe more episodes or something

[00:11:21] so that way they could kind of sink into some of these these plot developments but

[00:11:29] honestly at the end of the day I think I liked it sorry I'm never on this.

[00:11:34] It's your podcast debut.

[00:11:36] Yeah this is this is this is weird for me I'm usually like sitting on the side just you know

[00:11:42] casually playing on my phone games and things and listening you know but.

[00:11:47] You're there in spirit?

[00:11:48] Yeah exactly so I don't know maybe I'm a little nervous.

[00:11:53] Well now are you are you as big a Marvel fan as Paul is or do you just kind of you watch them?

[00:12:00] I started out the Marvel Cinematic Universe I think with Iron Man when it first came out I watched it

[00:12:08] probably in theaters with my dad mom probably didn't want to go I don't really remember that much

[00:12:15] honestly and then as they they came out I watched a few but I never really stuck with it until

[00:12:21] we needed something really to do while we were long distance and so he was like we can watch

[00:12:27] the the MCU all the way through and I was like sure you know I've never seen it I had

[00:12:31] Peter in and out I watched Black Panther I don't really remember what else around Black Panther

[00:12:35] that I watched when it actually like came out maybe Doctor Strange but yeah so I was never

[00:12:42] really like a comics person growing up but you know I love them I think that they're I think

[00:12:49] that they're kick ass I have a love of acting I love I want to be a superhero but that's I don't

[00:12:57] think that that's ever gonna happen so this is never my foot in the door you know to have

[00:13:03] superpowers and do things that people can't do I felt like the show really reminded me a lot of

[00:13:08] like Doctor Who had kind of reminded me a lot of science fiction shows of the past kind of

[00:13:13] like in a WandaVision-esque way but not as obvious the kind of kind of X-Files kind of Doctor Who

[00:13:23] kind of you know what can we do with this and I just kind of wanted them to stick

[00:13:27] to something to one of those many many ideas and then just like see what the depth of that was

[00:13:33] instead of kind of bouncing around throughout all of these different ideas because they could

[00:13:40] I wish that it had ended with a nice hard ending instead of kind of leaving the door open I'm

[00:13:47] here I was like crap I gotta wait for stuff how dare you yeah not yeah I was the same

[00:13:53] do you have a favorite quick thing do you have a favorite Marvel project

[00:13:58] movie or TV show I mean I really did enjoy WandaVision but I think I enjoyed it because

[00:14:03] of all of the the hokey old school comedy and all of that stuff really getting to watch the

[00:14:09] evolution of where we've come throughout the cinema throughout I guess not the cinematic universe

[00:14:17] like like TV history throughout the generations I really enjoyed that but of the movies

[00:14:26] that's hard that's really difficult I mean I love Black Panther I'm really sad that you

[00:14:32] know RIP I don't know what they're gonna do with the next one and I'm worried but that's okay

[00:14:39] but no I'd say that Black Panther is probably probably up there there's probably something

[00:14:43] there's so many movies that I'm missing right now currently yeah and Paul a quick thing I

[00:14:51] saw you at admiring the the 4k I don't think it's over there I don't have my in the heart

[00:14:56] of the sea 4k I was I was hoping to have that kind of you know get a little flair of that but

[00:15:02] it's somewhere else I was looking for trying to see what all you had yeah I'm pretty disappointed

[00:15:09] by the presence of Justice League any version of it really thanks well because the thing is I had not

[00:15:13] when I bought it I hadn't seen it okay it was a it was a blind buy gotcha yeah gotcha

[00:15:18] can you have a few of those yeah yeah yeah everyone does it's a in my shame drawer

[00:15:25] but uh anyways Paul go ahead um I was just gonna say I think that with the ending of Loki

[00:15:32] with with a lot of the tv shows I think that some of their weaker points you know have definitely been

[00:15:38] related to some of their setting up of things you know later on you know

[00:15:46] I was talking with Nick about the show before I came up here I saw him a few days ago and

[00:15:55] he isn't really overly fond of the ending you know because again it's it's not ending

[00:16:00] the story it's obviously opening up and setting up more and and tying into things that will

[00:16:06] will tie up later on but but you know maybe and so I think that there's definitely some truth for

[00:16:12] that you know um not to get into the reveal yet of like who the bad guy is although if you've

[00:16:18] been on the internet I feel like it's hard to have avoided the the spoiler of the end of Loki

[00:16:23] yeah but you know it certainly was not a closing of anything you know if anything it just

[00:16:30] really opened up and expanded where everything else is going to be going for the next

[00:16:35] 10 years of Marvel properties probably who knows so yeah I think that's why it's a little bit

[00:16:41] dissatisfying yeah because I thought when it ended I thought there was one more episode

[00:16:47] yeah I was like because I mean WandaVision and Falcon they both ended fairly you know

[00:16:53] tied it all up yeah but this one yeah didn't so well and that's also because you know WandaVision

[00:17:00] isn't getting a second season Falcon and the Winter Soldier isn't getting a second season

[00:17:06] this is this is yeah and so it feels it you know and I think that it's I think

[00:17:12] miniseries miniseries TV events maybe work better for a Marvel cinematic universe because

[00:17:19] they ultimately still have to have an ending even if it does connect to certain other things

[00:17:24] whereas Loki once you start making an active TV show you're telling me that you know multiple

[00:17:30] seasons of this show are going to now be and I know that you're like oh well you know multiple

[00:17:34] movies are a part of it but like are we gonna have 10 seasons of Loki so

[00:17:41] intermingled in between exactly you have to watch or else you don't know what the heck

[00:17:45] is going on exactly with movies and other miniseries it'll it's chaos it easily get to be that point of

[00:17:53] way too much see the thing is I think also for me personally I think the further we get from in-game

[00:18:00] and the more we go back to feeding those characters the less interested I am

[00:18:06] because I feel like it's called in-game I kind of wish that was the end of that

[00:18:10] those characters and we just started with something completely new and so the further

[00:18:14] we're getting into like feeding into all of that I'm becoming less and less because it almost feels

[00:18:20] like it's an extended post-credits scene I'm having to watch to feed into that which I don't need

[00:18:26] like I had you know however many movies with Loki I get him enough you know for but that's just

[00:18:32] me I mean I know some people love it no I completely get that I think that's also to a degree

[00:18:37] some of the problem with like Western comics right now you know is is that ultimately it's

[00:18:42] all still even when they bring in new fresh faces to take over for certain characters it's all still

[00:18:48] built along this pile of lore that came before it like sure you can technically pick up you know

[00:18:55] there but but can you really you know it's coming with all of these expectations and all of this

[00:19:01] back lore and and when you intentionally of your own accord also go out of your way to

[00:19:06] reference all of that stuff as well because you know the the comics haven't had like a new

[00:19:13] character you know beyond like Batman and Superman and Spider-Man and sure they introduce

[00:19:18] new characters but we haven't had like a standout new character new new identity ground up like

[00:19:26] congrats we got rid of Superman we'll never print another issue of Superman again yeah you know

[00:19:32] and now we have the new guy we haven't done that in a while we've just sort of passed the

[00:19:36] mantles off which has been somewhat effective but then again it's it's oftentimes still tied

[00:19:41] up with with all this other stuff yeah what did y'all think of the casting like Owen Wilson

[00:19:47] Google and Bothered Owen Wilson was great casting for me is rarely the Marvel problem

[00:19:55] there are a few casting choices that I probably don't like but I didn't think that there was

[00:19:58] anyone in this show that I thought was truly like wrong no yeah and honestly I really enjoyed

[00:20:04] seeing Owen Wilson and something simpler again you know not seeing him do all of his isms

[00:20:12] you know getting to see him get to see him act a little yeah yeah not to not to sound cruel to

[00:20:18] Owen Wilson or anything I think that a lot of actors nowadays find a niche a character that

[00:20:23] is really comfortable and they play that consistently throughout things those are the

[00:20:27] things that they get you know cast into play so I just I was really excited to see Owen

[00:20:32] Wilson not get cast to play Owen Wilson yeah no I agree um what about you no I thought I thought

[00:20:39] yeah I liked to see an own own Wilson in the in this world and I mean I did really like the

[00:20:45] look of the world I thought the design was really interesting and yeah I also really

[00:20:49] liked the look of the monster in the clouds like kind of coming out of the clouds with

[00:20:54] the eyes I thought that was awesome but yeah overall it just like I just felt like my

[00:20:58] interest was like going up and up and down like there were some scenes I really enjoyed but then

[00:21:02] I feel like a lot of the plot with all of the talk of like what they call it like branch

[00:21:08] reality was what's the oh yeah stuff like that I was just like alright

[00:21:16] but and so yeah it's probably as much as I hate to say it's probably my least favorite of the

[00:21:22] three shows no I think that's fair it's probably also my least favorite as well okay

[00:21:28] I I think it's fine I think that it even has moments of greatness but you know it

[00:21:38] it came it kind of left you know it didn't it didn't constantly wow me it didn't necessarily I

[00:21:44] think kind of to your point make itself make a case for itself existing especially in the

[00:21:49] in the case of explaining more about who Loki is as a person so no it certainly is is fine

[00:21:56] it's good to watch there are definitely some highlights worth watching especially like getting

[00:22:02] to see all of the variant Loki's is probably one of like my highlight moments of the show

[00:22:06] alligator was good yeah um but but I think that they could have been more playful with it you

[00:22:12] know for a show about the god of mischief I will give you that it was a little dry at times

[00:22:17] and also I think for for me Loki is at his most interesting when he's bouncing off of Thor

[00:22:23] and his family I think without that for me it was really missing something the conflict there just

[00:22:28] wasn't as potent well it's kind of like stripping you know Batman away from Joker and that kind of

[00:22:35] thing those characters are the the perfect foil characters of each other so when you pull them from

[00:22:41] what created their context in the first place you immediately zap some of what made that

[00:22:48] character pop especially yeah yeah but I was reading letterbox reviews and the people were like

[00:22:56] time after time we're going like five out of five you are mental but um but no I mean I think

[00:23:04] Tom Hiddleston especially is still awesome he's great and I just like the look of Loki and

[00:23:10] whether it's his costume or if it's him just in a suit I think that looks great

[00:23:14] and it's really cool the whole train sequence I really enjoyed that was probably one of my favorite

[00:23:20] parts the look of those guards in the blue like the blue sweater that was good and yeah I mean it's

[00:23:27] I like it's not what I'm gonna like go back and revisit constantly but there are still parts

[00:23:32] that I enjoyed yeah I just wasn't as wild by it is somewhere no certainly not and also on a

[00:23:41] certain level it kind of felt almost not that I have anything against the actor or anything for me

[00:23:49] you know spoiler alert on a certain level I wasn't too sure about the reveal that the person that was

[00:23:55] behind it all along was this character that we've never met never talked about never discussed

[00:24:01] you know and it's obviously now just you know here's here's how we're putting in the setup

[00:24:06] you know and and that's I think the big issue that really whiffs the ending a little bit yeah

[00:24:14] you know it's not connected to anything other than what's to come yeah but I like that actor a lot he

[00:24:19] was great into five bloods right yeah yeah uh and I do like Sasha Lane a lot from American Honey

[00:24:26] and she uh was in the Hellboy reboot yeah sadly kind of yeah um the agent yeah yes okay yeah I'm not as

[00:24:37] good with names dear listener it's all good yeah well I mean anything else about and Lauren since

[00:24:44] it's your your first time anything else about Marvel in general for you that are um any any other

[00:24:49] big thoughts I guess moving forward for me having seen it all kind of closer together than I guess the

[00:24:57] average viewer did when these movies came out you know years apart I'm worried that now that we have

[00:25:03] the multiverse of madness you know it's the end of the Loki you know spoiler is what we've all been

[00:25:10] leaning to in in the rest of the Marvel universe was just like basically anything is possible and

[00:25:15] when anything is possible dear god control yourselves I guess it's my worry here you know I feel like

[00:25:21] they're gonna maybe take it further than it needs to go you know clip clip off I'm happy with them

[00:25:30] getting rid of characters left right and center because then it means it makes these characters

[00:25:35] matter yeah but if we open up any possible reality to anything then we can just keep

[00:25:41] bringing back scarlet for the next movie and the next movie because why not you know it's a multiverse

[00:25:48] now and that's where I'm getting a little worried I want everybody to have their time in this shine

[00:25:53] time in the sun and then kind of we get to wave them off and say goodbye yeah and and have those

[00:26:00] memories and live in that nostalgia and keep it there inside of us and not on my screen over

[00:26:06] and over again yeah so um I'm excited to see like where they're going with it I will keep watching

[00:26:13] but they're I'm worried that there might be a point where I'm just like I'm good guys this is

[00:26:18] just too much I don't care anymore yeah you know I'm not a comic person so like once it starts

[00:26:24] to get too heavy and things that I don't know I'll tap out yeah and I feel like that's probably

[00:26:30] you know where the average Marvel person is probably at too yeah I'm about there

[00:26:38] I mean that's why I'm looking forward to what's the one the movie coming out later this year

[00:26:43] Shang-Chi in the tenor that's the one yeah that looks exciting yeah I'm happy for new

[00:26:48] characters I'm happy for new stories I'm happy for new faces that I haven't gotten gotten to see

[00:26:53] in a while you know or at all before I love I love new yeah same here all right well uh any

[00:27:01] turn that to the middle uh any uh anything else about Loki or Marvel um no you know he's

[00:27:09] he's a good character but he's a character who I think um gets represented incorrectly oftentimes

[00:27:17] by people when they talk about him um when they talk about his appearances in the film and I

[00:27:23] think that a lot of the the love of Tom Hiddleston his performance uh inflates and gets

[00:27:28] conflated with a lot of the talk about Loki and and in particular even you know to a certain degree

[00:27:34] I think it's not as much as I was worried but to a degree with the Loki show I think it's good

[00:27:40] but I also would understand like if it wasn't your bag at all yeah all right uh out of five stars

[00:27:48] everybody um no you go first okay um first first rating on the show out of five stars

[00:27:58] I think that I will give Loki season one three and a half okay and and you said one division is

[00:28:10] your favorite of the three shows yes okay Paul I'll say I'll say three um uh you're three I was

[00:28:21] I'll go two and a half okay yeah just yeah just go down so all right uh well cool with that done

[00:28:28] then we can get to chaos walking and uh we have a clip as well I think y'all brought the clip

[00:28:34] with you so take a listen what you need to contact your ship is in Haven Haven it's the first settlement

[00:28:46] another town more people you didn't just think there were two settlements in all of new world

[00:28:51] did you no of course not I thought it was one it was one we're leaving the morning

[00:29:00] I'd rather stay with you Todd I'd rather be with you kiss me talk to me kiss me no wait I didn't

[00:29:05] say that I'm sorry Viola okay so um chaos walking is on vod now I think on most places

[00:29:16] and it's directed by Doug Lyman who just did uh or I mean who he didn't just do but we just

[00:29:20] reviewed the born identity which he also did and it stars Tom Holland the cast of this movie is crazy

[00:29:26] Tom Holland Daisy Ridley uh Demian Bashir I can never say this guy's name right David

[00:29:33] oh yeah low whoa oh uh David oh you're low oh that's it uh Cynthia Revo Kurt Sutter

[00:29:42] Nick Jonas strangely uh Matt's Matt Mickelson um I think maybe even a few other people

[00:29:49] am I forgetting anybody no I don't think so okay and the synopsis is two unlikely

[00:29:56] companions embark on a perilous adventure through the badlands of an unexplored planet

[00:30:01] as they try to escape a dangerous and disorienting reality where all thoughts are seen and heard

[00:30:07] by everyone so this one came out I don't know if it did have a theatrical release poll

[00:30:13] honestly I don't have a clue probably not and it had a bit of a I guess was in release hell for a

[00:30:19] little while I think it got pushed back a few times because of COVID maybe and maybe other things but

[00:30:24] it's been out for a couple months now I think so yeah I mean I mean Doug Lyman he's done

[00:30:31] what he did edge of tomorrow uh let's see what else he did uh American made okay

[00:30:38] and some other some other stuff yeah so what did y'all think about this one

[00:30:44] I thought it was pretty boring oh yeah yeah um I thought it was pretty boring not even I didn't

[00:30:53] even think that it was honestly like bad the way that reviews were making it out to

[00:30:58] to necessarily be but I was I was very bored oh yeah Lauren what about you

[00:31:03] I think this movie needs like some polish I think that somebody needed to look over this script

[00:31:10] before it got the okay and was like let's get rid of all of this stuff and and make it just

[00:31:16] just neater I felt like this movie was a was a little messy which just it was it was fine

[00:31:26] I actually didn't mind it

[00:31:34] yeah that sounds right yeah I think most could see that coming

[00:31:38] I didn't I mean I didn't love the movie by any means I think it's it's quite flawed but I

[00:31:42] I thought some of the ideas in the movie like the whole thought process out loud

[00:31:46] and how all of that worked I thought was great I just I enjoyed the world actually

[00:31:50] a lot more than I have other recent science fiction films despite it being kind of

[00:31:54] of quick a little too you know brushed through things but I really I am a big Daisy Ridley fan

[00:32:01] Tom Holland kind of goes in and out for me but I enjoyed him in this I don't know actually yeah I was

[00:32:07] not hating myself you know no um I think that you're right I think that there are a lot of

[00:32:12] things about like the world and the concepts that are strong but you know I think that a

[00:32:16] lot of that probably ends up coming from the book or yeah sure based on and so the

[00:32:21] whole time that I was watching it I was definitely like I bet a lot of this would mean more if I read

[00:32:26] this yeah that was definitely something that that just sort of perpetually sort of plagued me the

[00:32:31] whole time that I was watching it I wasn't overly fond of Tom Holland in this I thought he was just

[00:32:36] okay in this yeah he's overall I think for a performer for me like beyond Spider-Man I'm

[00:32:42] not sure that he's ever really been in anything that I've seen or or nothing that he was the

[00:32:50] lead in beyond Spider-Man has ever had the draw for me to be like wow that's what I need to go see

[00:32:57] you have to see I need to see this Tom Holland performance um so you know he did fine I thought

[00:33:04] Daisy Ridley did better than he did but also this was for me like B-list Daisy Ridley on a

[00:33:11] certain level also I thought I thought that I was kind of getting everyone's like second

[00:33:16] performance you know what I mean interesting yeah I don't know I think that gosh how to how

[00:33:23] to describe this movie how do I feel about this movie um I think that I think that Tom Holland

[00:33:31] is on a high right now which is great I'm glad for his paycheck I need him to stop um I think

[00:33:36] that he's I think he's wonderful as as Peter I think that he's charming I think that he's

[00:33:40] interesting he's he's got these like quirks that are that are endearing about him this this character

[00:33:47] has none of those things for me but strangely the same accent I'm not sure how much of an American

[00:33:53] accent Tom Holland can do but I'm good with New York let's try something different you know

[00:33:59] I thought that this was just like a fine performance I felt like this could have been

[00:34:02] anybody on a certain level I don't I didn't see anything from him from this that I was like

[00:34:09] yes top notch gotta watch it yeah best of the best um I definitely thought that Daisy Ridley was

[00:34:16] was a lot better um I guess she's blonde in the in the source material I didn't see why she needed

[00:34:23] to be here and why they chose that blonde but it's not her blonde it it's not um I thought

[00:34:30] that the cast was great and I was excited to see all these faces that I wasn't expecting to

[00:34:34] see because I didn't know anything about this movie before we walked into it and I think that

[00:34:39] Nick Jonas is is is really distracting for no reason like why are you here because you can't

[00:34:45] shake the feeling that it's Nick Jones yeah just doing things I mean like his performance

[00:34:53] wasn't bad it's just that he looks like Nick Jonas the entire time yeah you can't just you

[00:34:57] stare at him you're like you know uh if I could just fix that face yeah thousand like

[00:35:03] that's all I was thinking the whole time was like look at that Disney star right there yeah

[00:35:07] I'm sorry I'm sorry Nick Jonas oh also one thing about the design Mads Mikkelson's coat in this

[00:35:15] his fur coat amazing looks durious yeah pretty great and he's I mean he's always awesome

[00:35:21] no yeah he's one of those actors that I enjoy a lot um much of the cast were people that I

[00:35:27] enjoy I like Damien Bashir um I was confused because the movie cast Kurt Sutter cast Kurt Sutter

[00:35:34] weirdly by choice and for for those who don't know he's primarily known as as like a writer

[00:35:41] he wrote the the Sons of Anarchy TV show I think he started but left um the Mayans and sea show

[00:35:49] he also wrote Southpaw with Jake Gyllenhaal Southpaw um and then he also had the the

[00:35:54] one season medieval show um Bastard Executioner as well on FX so he's primarily a writer so when I

[00:36:01] saw him I was like oh he must have been like a writer or a producer on this no they just cast

[00:36:07] Ducks out it was the right call who is this person this is the one that's one of Tom Holland's

[00:36:13] two dads he's the one with the long hair oh the one who has like the the chopping montage

[00:36:20] yeah the one that ends up getting killed oh gosh spoilers it doesn't matter no one saw this movie

[00:36:26] it's okay and you don't need to um well no you know I think in a couple in a couple months it's

[00:36:32] going to be a misunderstood masterpiece I don't think so um still come around you know I liked

[00:36:38] it conceptually for me it was just everything felt very half-baked it was like ah there are

[00:36:43] these aliens and for a while I was like okay so it's either going to be that the aliens are

[00:36:47] real and it's a real problem you know or the aliens aren't real and then it was like the aliens are real

[00:36:54] and you're gonna see one but only one and it's never gonna come back um and then you have this whole

[00:37:01] the noise stuff but they never really use it in any ways that are really all that interesting

[00:37:08] beyond a few times that we get it used creatively and it ends up just being more kind of like a

[00:37:13] where a generic future post-apocalyptic space western western man things and it just it gets a

[00:37:20] little lost for me and I think that the movie itself at times is a little unsure of what it wants

[00:37:26] to say or what it wants to be about at the end of the day and so it feels for me like

[00:37:32] we really do a lot of build up toward almost an anticlimactic ending yeah

[00:37:39] um what is the what is the metaphor of this movie

[00:37:45] stuff I don't I don't know I don't have the answer yeah but see now I did it while it's not like as

[00:37:53] deep as it could have gone I do like the idea of like the challenge of everyone can hear your thoughts

[00:37:59] and trying to figure out a way if you know something that you don't want to have known

[00:38:03] to try and divert yourself from that like and again as I post about it on my letterbox

[00:38:09] review his inner monologue is so male it's incredible how super bad got like high school right this is

[00:38:17] how like an like inside a guy's mind works like just saying these like scatterbrained things and

[00:38:22] it was enjoyable for me um I think there are definitely some moments of comedy from it

[00:38:29] I could have pulled up on the stick on it a little bit just because I was like this like does he have

[00:38:37] like ADHD or something he feels frenetic in his thoughts you know at times he felt like a little

[00:38:42] at times I was like I feel like you're doing this for for comedic effect and you already got

[00:38:48] your laugh yeah I was like yeah at the beginning it was like he was just saying his name over

[00:38:54] and over I was like dude chill out like what are you doing here but then I guess it kind of goes

[00:38:59] into plays into more of like later on of like I'm just gonna say my name over and over so they don't

[00:39:03] hear you know my real thoughts but um but yeah so I did enjoy that and I liked the mirage

[00:39:10] look of the noise I enjoyed that and I mean it's just kind of the fairly simple sci-fi film

[00:39:16] I just found refreshing even if it didn't get some things right I just I don't know I

[00:39:22] I watch it till the end with uh with interest

[00:39:28] I guess for me like I wanted the the noise to be like individualized more so um visually

[00:39:36] color-wise or like how it moved or how it felt it just kind of everybody's noise felt exactly

[00:39:42] the same unless they were doing something very hyper specific with it they were just kind of like

[00:39:48] everything is orange except for the parts that matter you know what I mean like they were like oh

[00:39:53] let's do the circle around the head thing a few times let's let's box her in with our minds you know in

[00:40:00] the in the log cabin thing which I thought was great and then everything else just kind of felt

[00:40:04] like I was looking at like a weird like I don't know like version of ghost fire coming off of

[00:40:11] everybody and it didn't it didn't look different it was all the same and I was like are you guys

[00:40:16] all thinking exactly the same I thought we were all individuals you know

[00:40:21] it felt like at times like that it felt like a video game I was watching a video game cutscene

[00:40:26] for better and for worse yeah that's fair yeah but no I did like Daisy Ridley a lot yeah Tom Holland

[00:40:32] again he's he's never again I don't love him as Spider-Man or at least as much as the

[00:40:37] as Toby McGuire but he's yeah he's fine in this I agree that it could have been done by

[00:40:42] anybody it's not like you have to see this for him yeah but uh which is such a waste yeah

[00:40:49] but like with the I mean in terms of the direction I did like how

[00:40:53] frenetic the flow of the movie was for a while like it was kind of an endless chase after a

[00:40:58] while and I enjoyed that it's just that by the end you stay at that ship um crash and

[00:41:06] you're kind of there for a while and then it kind of killed the pace a little bit for me but

[00:41:11] but no actually I enjoyed it more than I thought I would because I knew nothing about it going in

[00:41:15] aside from who was in it yeah so yeah I yeah you know no yeah that's fair okay any final thoughts

[00:41:26] on chaos walking oh there was this moment where um Daisy Ridley is escaping away on motorcycle and

[00:41:34] like Tom Holland's on I think horse following behind her and they do some some close-up shots

[00:41:40] on Daisy Ridley and Tom Holland this is like in the first act or so of the movie and um

[00:41:46] the most obvious screen screeny is on those close-up shots yeah I was pretty rough when that happened

[00:41:53] I just went it's pretty rough it's very bad and that's my last thought yeah also a lot of a

[00:42:00] lot of horse deaths yeah oh oh animal animal yeah I was about to say dear listener

[00:42:06] um the the movie the moment for for me that was probably the most like what why the dog

[00:42:16] that the crazy preacher man goes I'm gonna stare you in the eyes as I drown your dog

[00:42:23] I have a lot of I have a lot of notes for that whole character just in general not for the

[00:42:27] actor the actor yeah great job he was fine yeah I have a lot of questions about his psychosis

[00:42:32] that I were not answered I agree movie at all um I guess for me I wanted either like I wanted the noise

[00:42:38] to do something to have to serve more of a purpose you know because it's just guys who who have this

[00:42:44] thing happening to them none of the women have the noise right and so I guess I wanted it to be

[00:42:51] like a surprise the women have always had the noise they can just control it better or something

[00:42:56] you see that's what I was thinking it was he either going to be that or they just didn't have

[00:43:00] it at all and so it was kind of more I guess there would be a conflict of men trying to figure that

[00:43:06] out but never being able to or something along those lines I guess that's that's what what didn't

[00:43:10] stop happening yeah you know they they get mad that they can't understand what their wives are

[00:43:16] thinking all the time I guess is that a metaphor for real life gosh I just never know what my wife

[00:43:21] is thinking yeah when she doesn't want me to know um damn it I'm gonna slaughter the village

[00:43:31] what was your next step what you go from what comes next you're going from wonder what she's

[00:43:38] thinking oh I'm gonna kill you we go to I don't understand what they're thinking too I'm gonna

[00:43:43] try and enslave and control women too you know what I'm just gonna murder them yeah we're living

[00:43:48] in a in a world that does not have the technology that we can like you know propagate yeah after this

[00:43:54] generation yeah but the women I mean honestly I don't really think they cared about the next

[00:43:58] generation Tom Holland couldn't read so I don't think they were really like oh gosh the next

[00:44:04] generation oh their woes they're like here you go it's like if you took children of men

[00:44:10] that concept but people weren't trying to figure out a solution I was like they were saying

[00:44:14] they were really fine with it whatever and like maybe that's the thing but I don't know it felt a little

[00:44:19] I got a lot of questions that's a roll away yeah and that's my those are my five yeah I see

[00:44:26] uh all right um out of five I'll say two two Lauren yeah I think I think two works for me

[00:44:37] go three and a half yeah gotta leave people something to be upset about when they're listening

[00:44:47] all right so all right although I won't get into that I've seen other people enjoy it but it's you

[00:44:54] it's okay so all right well any news I mean we'll get to the Scarlett Johansson thing but

[00:45:01] any other news you all have heard about want to talk about anything no yeah not too much for me

[00:45:08] no honestly um I don't really go go diving into news very often I get all of my updates through him

[00:45:15] so yeah that's fair enough all right well then let's yeah let's get to the listener question

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[00:45:46] comes from this is interesting because this could be a typo or it could be not

[00:45:50] it comes from runway Steve not runaway so it's he either is an outlaw who did a typo or he could be

[00:45:59] an air traffic controller of some kind I'm gonna guess air traffic control okay I guess he could

[00:46:04] potentially work in like the baggage that's true you guys are thinking that I was like model all the

[00:46:09] way oh that's sure okay well run away Steve let us know yeah there you go clarify this for us

[00:46:16] what kind of runway Steve yeah yeah uh says hi Henry and Paul uh the Scarlett Johansson

[00:46:24] black widow contract debacle is hot news right now so I decided to pass it on to you do you think

[00:46:31] she is in the right thanks for the tight podcast thank you uh runway Steve thank you runway Steve

[00:46:38] yeah um do you want to take it away Henry yeah I mean I can at least I guess set it up so the

[00:46:44] whole thing is so Scarlett Johansson black widow was released on Disney plus as well as in theaters

[00:46:50] and she has now come out and said that it was was it only going to be a theatrical release when she

[00:46:56] signed the apparently contractually it's supposed to be only a theatrical yeah she she got her base

[00:47:00] salary but then there was supposed to be some back end stuff from the theatrical release that

[00:47:05] she was never really given to or at least not as much because so many people saw it

[00:47:10] on Disney plus and so she's now trying to get that money and and get justice so to speak yeah

[00:47:16] and now other people other actors have come out and said oh wait this movie like uh Gerard Butler

[00:47:21] said hey I didn't get paid 10 million from Olympus has fallen so he's pissed off too gosh I could

[00:47:27] get paid 10 million yeah yeah so it's a big yeah big thing right now and Disney has come out and

[00:47:33] said you know that we're very distressed and sad about this whole thing so it's a big as runway

[00:47:40] Steve said it's a debacle um yeah you know I'll put it this way if you know contractually Scarlett

[00:47:52] was supposed to have certain things and you know Disney backed out of certain things

[00:47:58] and didn't come up with some sort of way to compensate fairly according you know for those

[00:48:05] changes to Scarlett or to I think the other person that's now thinking about doing it is Emma Stone

[00:48:11] for Cruella right yeah um you know if they are contractually owed something then they're

[00:48:19] contractually owed something and that's fair and it's completely fair um for them to pursue it

[00:48:25] and for them to want to pursue it and I honestly like don't have any issue with that but that being

[00:48:31] said you know you will have to excuse me a little bit as I roll my eyes while you do it okay

[00:48:38] because at the end of the day you know you are one of the highest paid actors of all time

[00:48:45] I'm if you truly didn't get anything you know then that does suck and absolutely go and sue them

[00:48:50] but but also your base salary was you know at the time it was 20 million yeah or some change and so

[00:48:57] you're also not going to get a lot of tears from me over your plight um if if this is you know

[00:49:03] potentially going to help set a precedent to where future people won't get screwed over then I

[00:49:07] think that's probably for the better but you know I don't know the Gerard Butler one I think

[00:49:16] I find equally as ludicrous if not more ludicrous I think it's more and um and honestly you know

[00:49:25] the movie just wasn't very good either like I don't know how to tell you that

[00:49:29] there's a chance that some of the the drop off from week one to week two was that word of mouth

[00:49:33] got around that like you didn't have to go yeah that it wasn't worth risking the pandemic to go to

[00:49:42] yeah

[00:49:48] okay I feel the exact same so I'm just gonna take that as my own

[00:49:54] no I agree like it's you know legally if you're if she signed the contract that's what they said

[00:50:00] regardless if it's a pandemic or not she should get that but again as you were just saying like

[00:50:06] regardless of which whoever actor it was you're getting 20 million you're getting I mean who

[00:50:12] knows how much from all the other Marvel films consistently I'm sure I'm not going to stick with

[00:50:17] you you know like I you know please get what you're owed but as you were just saying I'll Paul I'll be

[00:50:24] there next to you so yeah it's I mean I hope you know if there are other actors out there who

[00:50:33] have been robbed of something hate I mean by all means you know get what you're owed but

[00:50:38] you can dial it down yeah Lauren what about you I mean I'm I'm in agreement honestly I think that

[00:50:45] it's it's it must be really nice to just like you know blow up the internet about your one problem

[00:50:53] and everybody be like yes queen get what you want yeah you can take over the world because

[00:50:58] then I would do that for so many things yeah but in normal world we can't do that so like

[00:51:03] I'm sorry for not I guess feeling sorry or for you but like yeah totally by all means

[00:51:09] get what get what you get what you think is right do you love it um but also I don't know maybe spread

[00:51:16] the love once you get it yeah a little but I'll put all that money to something else yeah other than

[00:51:22] I don't know your your bills you know maybe yeah donate to something donate to something great

[00:51:29] with that money and then it'll be worth it because otherwise like you've got enough of it already right

[00:51:33] yeah yeah it's yeah I'm sure she's uh not too people are facing eviction scarlet yeah

[00:51:45] I'm sorry Paul Paul I just say it yeah no I I agree it's like a thing especially now like these days

[00:51:52] not there that there aren't issues other times but like now it's like we don't care yeah you are

[00:51:58] getting 20 million dollars you could stop working now and never be set for life be set for your life

[00:52:04] be set for your child's life be set for even maybe their child's life so like I don't care yeah

[00:52:09] I'm so sorry if 20 million is your base yeah that's that's not bad we're not getting that no

[00:52:16] so I'll be lucky with a million thank you sign that check one million thank you yeah

[00:52:23] you know I love scarlet your handsome but yeah this is a bit out when I heard about it I was like

[00:52:27] all right I'm gonna just keep scrolling yeah there's more pressing news and exactly right now I'm sorry

[00:52:34] so yeah I mean it's I don't know if I have many other big thoughts it's just yeah it's

[00:52:41] an odd thing to get upset about yeah in the in the big scheme of things yeah so

[00:52:47] go ahead you know Disney I will I will at least I guess say this in in a certain amount of defense

[00:52:52] you know Disney plus yeah there was some some screwing over of the costume designers not owning some of

[00:52:59] the the creative rights if I'm not mistaken to some of the costumes from Cruella or not getting

[00:53:06] some of the the kickbacks from like how those things were getting used or something something

[00:53:10] to that effect so it would definitely not surprise me if at Disney you know if they're

[00:53:16] pulling bullshit at one level they're pulling bullshit at every level so you know and and

[00:53:22] also that argument or that situation is a little bit more relatable oh yeah because I mean they're

[00:53:27] still I mean probably be getting paid a lot but it's still like that's a little bit more

[00:53:32] understandable you know than than a you know the top actor in the world or one of them yeah

[00:53:39] so you know hopefully they they improve their practices after this much visible

[00:53:45] you know sort of scrutiny yeah and I mean like if you guys still want to fight the good fight

[00:53:49] there are plenty of other fights out there worth fighting so like take this energy and move it to

[00:53:53] something better than your wallet yeah no definitely yeah all right anything else about

[00:54:00] this subject no honey man yeah all right well thanks for the question run runway Steve

[00:54:09] and again the film buds podcast at gmail.com is where you can send us those also on on

[00:54:14] Twitter and all that which is actually where this one came from so yeah well cool well do you

[00:54:20] all want to end off with some pics of the week y'all been watching anything sure um

[00:54:26] oh god we don't I should have brought the no fuck I didn't even think about it we just

[00:54:31] watched born supremacy last night for date night which was a good time we just actually went

[00:54:38] and saw um the green night we went and saw that in theaters and it was it's not for everyone

[00:54:45] but I certainly really liked it it's I feel like the the marketing is selling a more exciting movie

[00:54:53] not that the movie is boring but like like faster paced action faction it's more of that kind of

[00:54:59] a fantasy vibe this is definitely more of like a a weird stranger sort of fantasy story yeah it's

[00:55:08] it's definitely a slower paced movie than I think that what we we got in advertisements and we went

[00:55:14] in knowing more about it we read the story that it was the well I guess a synopsis of the

[00:55:20] story that it's based off of which which actually I think really helped because it helped keep me

[00:55:25] grounded in what I knew was fact about the story or so that way the fantasy elements I could just let

[00:55:30] them kind of like happen without being like so who's what now yeah it was it was really good I liked

[00:55:37] it a lot I um it's the same director as a ghost dragon and a ghost story and that sort of thing

[00:55:44] and the only thing of his that I had seen before this was Pete's dragon and better yeah much

[00:55:48] better than the dragon yeah it's a low bar but yeah super super inventive very adventurous I really

[00:55:56] enjoyed it honestly I called it like a like a live action Miyazaki movie okay you know interesting

[00:56:02] it lives very surreal fully yeah within that surrealistic fantasy element and if you if you allow it

[00:56:09] to take you for the ride I hope you enjoy it mm-hmm yeah I've been wanting to see that one so that's

[00:56:15] I'd say it's definitely one worth seeing for sure okay I liked it a lot beyond that it's not out but

[00:56:22] it's something that I'm looking forward to um the the house of Gucci trailer just right yeah new Ridley

[00:56:28] Scott film yeah and I think it looks good we've got two Ridley Scott films coming out this year

[00:56:32] both with Adam Driver which is the other one the last duel with him and Matt Damon oh yeah

[00:56:38] and I'm looking forward to both yeah yeah yeah I agree all right anything else for either of y'all

[00:56:45] no I don't think so yeah now do y'all typically watch everything together or are there things you

[00:56:51] go separate yeah we the only thing that he has ever watched I guess quotes around that without me

[00:56:58] was finishing DeFyve Bloods because I had to tap out halfway through the movie but other than that

[00:57:06] we watch we watch everything together okay cool we spend a lot of time together yeah well that makes

[00:57:13] that's that's understandable I guess well this week I don't have much at all I've just been I've

[00:57:18] been watching a little bit of the Olympics for off and on um I'm more of a winter Olympics

[00:57:23] kind of guy but you know summer is okay uh then I've been watching Curb Your Enthusiasm which

[00:57:28] is awesome I love that show and yeah I don't really have don't have much else honestly

[00:57:34] just yeah I've been kind of busy with other things yeah so you're ready to ship out almost

[00:57:41] getting there what all do you have left to do I have one last fitness test and then I'm good to go

[00:57:46] and that should be fine what's in that fitness test same stuff as before same stuff last yeah I

[00:57:50] just have to do it do it again uh so yeah which it should be fine but yeah I'm good to go in a

[00:57:56] couple weeks so we'll see how that goes nice yeah so do you get like regular fitness tests

[00:58:02] after this last one or is this one like the last one forever this is the last one before I ship out

[00:58:08] but then once I get after basic training it's going to be like kind of they're like running me into

[00:58:14] the ground basically just that that's why I have to prepare so much beforehand because it's just

[00:58:18] like there's a show called if anybody's seen it called surviving the cut which was on discovery

[00:58:24] and it's cameras in the um the special operations uh selection programs that's what I have to go do

[00:58:30] which is just so exciting um yeah so I mean it should be fine though but yeah so that's that's

[00:58:39] yeah I got a big thing coming up all right well anything else y'all

[00:58:43] no any all right well then next week I mean I think I'll still be still be on Paul what are you

[00:58:49] what are you thinking not a clue I mean the suicide squad comes out on Friday oh does it

[00:58:54] it does yes okay we could do that okay cool so yeah I guess we'll yeah we'll shoot for that then

[00:59:00] and so yeah well y'all thanks so much for taking the time and driving driving down here yeah thanks

[00:59:06] thanks for having us yeah um Lauren it was nice to meet you nice meeting you too this was this was

[00:59:11] fun yeah yeah getting to participate yeah yeah well cool well we we hope you enjoyed it as much

[00:59:18] as we did and we'll see you next time