Bonus Podcast #8: July 20, 2019 - Box-Office Bombs (Jupiter Ascending + Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets)

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[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody. Welcome back. This is the 8th film buds bonus show and my name is Henry and

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: no Chloe this time around although she will be back for episode 91 recording tomorrow on the Lion King

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and 10 things I hate about you but joining us once again on our own kind of little spin-off podcast is my friend Jacob

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_06]: hours. So Jacob thanks for coming back on man. Once again just we're carving out a new

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: new space here. Yeah, a new podcast. Yeah and so this time around we're going to be doing

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: something a little different I guess we're going to be discussing box office bombs

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and first off we're going to be reviewing two kind of misunderstood commercial

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: flops which is Jupiter ascending from 2015 by the Wachowski so you did the matrix and then

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Valerian and the city of a Thousand Planets from 2017 by Lube Basal. And then after that we're just

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be doing kind of an open discussion on the current state of movies maybe why some

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: movies are flopping as bad as they have been because a lot of the summer have been flops I would say

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and then the future of film everything Jacob and we're just going to be covering it all

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: and we also have one the future of film in general overall yeah yeah yeah just cinema

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_06]: will Jacob how are you man good yeah what um what made you so like 10 things I hate about you

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: to go along with so hang so Chloe chose that one because they are both inspired and or adapted by

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Shakespeare yes yeah and so and also tomorrow she's going to be the host the lead host

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: for just for the fun of it so she's going to be running this show so make sure to tune in for

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that all time yeah so 91 yeah yeah yeah yeah well Jacob anything going on with you man

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: just same old same old yeah getting ready to move hmm do you know when that's going to be

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_06]: to South Korea oh that has uh I've saw they've been figuring that out and letting people know

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that that's been pushed back oh um by six months oh wow yeah this guy uh did like I explain this

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_06]: you before you probably did this guy like backed out on on leaving oh that's right yes yeah yeah

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that's too bad yeah sorry but at least I mean at least it's not a indefinite there's just

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_06]: complicated thing to figure out like I you know we're working out the details of a job from so far away

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah for sure but uh just my leases and things I'm getting ready to move out of my apartment okay cool

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_06]: as well perfect timing you know moving with my sister for the next six months oh nice cool go

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: what a life takes me yeah well I I just got an email I ordered this this rocket man

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: out in John shirt like a week and a half ago uh on from the the website along with the it's

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bundle with the you get a rocket man shirt and the soundtrack to the film

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and they said oh yeah well email you when it chips and I clicked standard shipping so I was like okay

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: well in a few days I'll get the email guess what Jacob no email oh email so I emailed the customer service

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: days goodbye days goodbye finally just got an email saying hey we're gonna troubleshoot this

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: for you and we'll let you know when the problem is solved where is my shirt Jacob? I spent my

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: harder and money on this you know you know yeah you know that's um that's how it be yeah so we'll keep

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_06]: you updated on that one I ordered a shirt from the United Kingdom once um five years ago and it

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: still hasn't shown up huh yep I wouldn't keep up hope for that I didn't hear anything

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: back from customer service even though I emailed and and chatted and called many times I couldn't

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_06]: get a refund just um could still be out there somewhere it's the UK for you all right yeah yeah it's so far away

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I ordered things from China you know they've arrived it might have taken three months but they've

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: arrived mianman this show's been five years five that's a pretty big late fee you know thank that

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: they they should give you but who knows all right well maybe we can start off like we have with some

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: of the other shows about just maybe not first exposures to box up as bombs that'd be weird but just

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe just some first thoughts on it do you think that more films are flopping then they happen

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: or do you think it's on a kind of steady stream I just think it's kind of a confusing

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_06]: question when you look at like the hard numbers um I'd say that things are there are more

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_06]: flops but um I think if you went out and asked a general audience is um have you been enjoying

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_06]: most of the movies that you've been seeing recently or do you think the most of the movies that are in

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_06]: the the theaters right now are look good or like would you go see it? I think most people would probably

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: be pretty agreeable you know I think I think films just cost too much to make and that's why they're

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah you know because of a flop it's budget based right it's not necessarily like low

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_06]: low scores right you know uh because a movie can make tons of money and get low scores

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_06]: but a flop is coming in under under budget not making its money back more it you know they might

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_06]: look at these numbers and see this as a as a see it as audiences sort of changing

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: how they go see movies and changing their opinions on movies and see this as a shifting viewpoint

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: for audiences but maybe it's not maybe it's just that movies are getting more and more expensive to make

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_06]: uh which you know and then movies with original ideas aren't making as much money so

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: executives are getting too scared to really make those so they're just pushing the big

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: well known built-in nostalgia stuff you know everyone's like whoom sequels and reboots but I

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: was complaining about that all the time people cares see don't man but um I guess to to

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_06]: to bring it all in would be more cohesive here I'm getting sort of getting everywhere and ended off

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_06]: as I think movies are getting more expensive to make which is possibly giving the impression

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that we are having more flops than we used to when I think movies could be doing better

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_06]: if they budgeted better so right movie accounts do better job yeah yeah well I mean even the

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: the Lion King for example 260 million dollar budget yeah it's like that's a lot of money although

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it is doing very well but still that's a lot of money for one movie and it's like you know would

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you spend that all on the creating the movie they literally started from scratch probably

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: you see yeah yeah but what about whole movie is CGI yeah so yeah so that's that that

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: next question was was making that movie a worthwhile endeavor it seems so you know what would

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: what if all movies are just CGI in the future no more actors well that's what some

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: reviews have been saying is that in a way this is kind of the future of movies is that you can

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: completely recreate a completely believable world with this virtual reality technology and so

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: who knows this the Lion King could be the very beginning of it all you know CGI um people

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_06]: are getting a lot better yeah um you look at the video game market it's a big example of that

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_06]: is it that's difficult that's a whole noother topic but you know engines are copyrighted and so

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_06]: a certain company might have control over an engine that has light years beyond CGI technology

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: than another engine in you so rendering people will look better in one place and it does another

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_06]: but I think the movie industry at least shares a lot of their BFX companies so um but you know

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: you look at something like Marvel they've got they've just got inless money and um fully fully CGI

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: people like uh I don't like the scrolls in Captain Marvel's they just look you wouldn't even know right

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: so and oh it's full easy to get movies on the way it's gonna be an interesting couple of years

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you know coming up so uh all right well should we jump in to some reviews yeah jikip all right

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: the water is nice and warm yes indeed so all right well yeah let's get into our first retro review

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: which is Jupiter ascending from 2015 and we have a clip let's take a listen

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Stingers said that you attacked an entitled ones Stinger talks too much is it true doesn't matter

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: well two things we can't explain I suppose in my genes no uh defect from our genoginary

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: could explain a lot of things about me like the fact I have an uncanny ability to fall from

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and the top fall for me maybe I have defective engineering too and if that's the case

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: so anyway it affects you were royalty now I'm a splice you don't understand what that means

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: but I have more in common with a dog than I have with you. I love dogs I always love dogs.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: all right so Jupiter ascending like I said was released in 2015 and is directed by

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Lana Wachowski and Lily Wachowski or just the Wachowski's as I guess they typically go by

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and at stars chanting Tatum, Milakunus, it's uh oh no if it's too close to the mic it's

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: now it's not you just not too close to the mic Chloe does it all the time so that's fine

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: chanting Tatum, Milakunus, Sean Bean, Eddie Redmain, Douglas Booth, Tumpence, Middleton

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that's about it I guess and the synopsis is a young woman discovers her destiny as an

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: of intergalactic nobility and must fight to protect the inhabitants of Earth from an ancient

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and destructive industry so yeah this one did not do great when it came out it grossed

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: 184 million against the budget of somewhere in between 175 and 200 million so was a pretty big

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_03]: financial flop and the reviews were also pretty mixed. Well isn't something like that would you

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: say you said it made 184 million against a budget of 175 between 200 million so yeah

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: part of worse flops than that oh there's some we'll get into them we'll get into them all right

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: but it I mean barely made its initial budget back so that's not too good for a movie like this

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and yeah so we'll Jacob what did you think of Jupiter sending this is where I first saw Eddie Redmain

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and seen him in anything before this I knew brutal wasn't he in I don't know my timelines was

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_06]: wasn't the Danish girl out around that time or was that this was after he had been into theory of

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: everything oh and that's yeah I think so let me check let me check check your facts yeah keep going

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: up but yeah but anyways um I thought he was great I thought he was the best part of the movie

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: 2014 for theory of everything so he's this before or after you okay okay yeah so I thought I thought

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_06]: he was brilliant brilliant villain just hmm man that's a hot take really yeah everybody hated them

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I he got he got a razzy my friend I think really oh yeah I was not aware oh yeah I thought

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: he was great you know I love me some red name hey that's fair I mean he I like him generally as well

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_06]: this is where I learned that training take them you know could be a decent actor and 21 jump

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: streets probably more you know a magic mic or probably better examples of the box catchers well

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_06]: oh yeah yeah yeah some Steve Crowden and yes Mark Ruffalo as well that's right

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_06]: movie was weird yeah you know a milicreuse of course I knew her from back in the day what a catch

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_06]: beyond that I thought it was I thought it was visually beautiful yeah it is yeah it looking

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: very beautiful though the wedding and the whole the way in the red and um aliens yeah well I think

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: one thing about this movie and it's kind of relating to our discussion is that I think if this movie had made

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: 800 million it would not be viewed as poorly by people uh as if it had gotten the exact same

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: reviews and and the the loss of money that it had I think that there are some really interesting

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: inspired visuals like you said I think some of the costumes are great and I think that when you

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: compare it to something like marvel they are essentially the same kind of film in terms of how

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: designing things and then people will happily accept guardians of the galaxy with talking trees

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and raccoons but then they'll laugh off everything that the witch-ow-skis inject into this movie

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and for no really good reason you know and um I'm sorry no I was just gonna say and I feel like even though

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: matrix was successful the witch-ow-skis since they have had a lot of big flops now people just

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: associate that name with almost like laughing them off even though they clearly have some really

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_06]: interesting artistry to their filmmaking okay um I just think it's the same as capable of vicious

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_06]: where um not very many people to my knowledge I'm gonna speak for everyone but no you don't

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_06]: see a lot of people these days just being like you know it looks kind of interesting I think

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_06]: you know I think we'll go check it out which will get on see if I like it it's you know the numbers

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: influence the reviews and the reviews influence the numbers and yeah it's just it's it's vicious you know

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_06]: someone sees that a movie got a six out of ten they're less likely to go see it makes less money

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_06]: if someone sees that a movie is making not very much money though probably gonna leave it a bad

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_06]: review you know but but a movie not making that much money does not equate

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: to just being bad yeah you know I've seen plenty of movies that I thoroughly enjoyed

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that came in under and there's so many reasons why a movie would come in under budget

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_06]: not necessarily just because everyone thought it was bad you know there's there's so many different

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: reasons and um sorry I had some examples of those reasons but I know that's okay but yeah come

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: back to us you know come back to us but yeah it just I feel like I mean not to go too much into

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: what we're gonna be talking about later but it just it really is kind of puzzling as to why I mean

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: there's don't but the kind of again the stigma of a financial flop equating to being a bad

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: movie or being more deserving of being picked apart while others just like it remain untouched by

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: or relatively untouched by kind of critics and everything just because they made more money but

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean with Jupiter ascending I think that there are never the last some pretty goofy

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff and it like I mean I am on the opposite of Eddie Redmain in this I thought I thought he was

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_06]: pretty horrible let's just say he operatic performance which is a voice in the look yeah

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just a fancy his lips are weird in this but it's like he just has this very quiet whisper

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and then hold this shriek out at times it just felt very like the witchhouse keys were

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of directing him in that but I could be wrong I don't know but I'm not crazy about him

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Milicunus and Channing Tatum are a good pair although I don't think either of them are

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: given that much to do in this movie but I still think that they can carry it decently enough

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and I agree with like the wedding stuff it looks amazing and I like the action sequence where

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: at first she goes are those flying boots and all the flying boots yeah it's good one

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think that they try and they're ambitious to a fault really like they'll

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: inject all these different fantastical names of like kind of species and classes

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and some of them land and then also I think they're just they're not really delivered that well

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: by the actors and so they come across as noticeably goofy and a little flat you think they're

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_06]: good tactics either for sure they're trying to go another matrix row yeah a little bit

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and I and I think they are also pretty decent at building a world I think that's something

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: they aren't really appreciated for that much I think in this they create a pretty interesting world

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's just yeah it's there it's a little long as well and I think that

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the wachowski goofiness does wait down at times but I still enjoy the film

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: equally to a lot of current blockbusters that people maybe see more favorably for whatever reason

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: but once last time you watched it last week it's just pause the podcast right now let's

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: pop it in I wish I had the 4k I bet it would look really good on 4k but as I watch it

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and then with the fresh drama minds we'll come back and we'll let the people know yeah definitively

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: should they go see this? well they can it's it's out of theaters shake of sadly

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: four years now almost as long as your your shirt wait so has it really been there

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_06]: yes I remember where I saw this movie and who I saw it with time flies my friend

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see it in the theater I'll guess I'll say that I I saw it on blue ray

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_06]: but a friend we had walked six miles to get to the mall

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: lowered it's weird pretty far outside of town see I used to walk I think I walked a few times

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to the theater when I was in Greensboro and I went on some pretty interesting journeys by

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: myself just kind of through downtown Greensboro yeah this was in a this is an Asheville

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_06]: oh well we're going to yeah um we got to the mall we you know we hung out for a bit

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and you just again we're gonna see a movie you know it's like that why not because the mall in Asheville

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_06]: is like a theater like directly across I've never lived somewhere with a mall that was cool enough

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_06]: a theater inside the mall but you know and you have the mall here is like adjacent to the theater

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: right but yeah there's a theater directly across the mall so we we walked over there and

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_06]: we looked at what was on nothing really no garbage so we want to see Jupiter as anything yeah

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and the rest is history yeah at a similar experience with my sister and

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Kingsman um secret service we didn't know what it was didn't know what we're gonna ourselves into

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and then we were just like holy shit yeah we're just like you know she uh during that

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the famous church scene yes she looks over me and she's like the hell's going on yeah it's the

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah now have you seen the trailer for the prequel coming out no I'm not a very good trailer

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_06]: washer uh they're too long these days I like to sort of I mean I don't know but if that one's super long

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_06]: it's two minutes okay I mean I don't know just they kind of just carry on and just like you

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_06]: know you could fair enough fair enough I saw the Mulan trailer when I went to see the Lion King and

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_06]: it was like that that one did there we no that one was short oh that was that was the point

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna be sorry yeah it revealed very little you know I think just to get slightly away from

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_06]: from our topic now just the people are used to that I think that production companies are worried that

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: people won't go see their movie if they don't

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: but almost everything into the trailer I'm sure everyone's heard this argument before

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I've seen tons of people with the song that goes through as a too long these days

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_06]: but I mainly think they are plus movies have like like here's the second trailer here's the third

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_06]: trailer here's the fourth trailer here's the seventh trailer for enough right chapter two and you're

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_06]: all man that that neutrally the does look yeah but um and then things will sort of be revealed

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_06]: where I'm just like kind of wish I could have gone to see the movie and and seen that in the

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_06]: theater and kind of what a different impact because I don't really like spoilers some people don't

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: care my girlfriend doesn't care she's like tell me everything so I can prepare emotionally for it

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_06]: right for me I'm just like no don't tell me anything and so I kind of just stopped

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_06]: watching trailers because you know because especially with like comedies too they'll just

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_06]: frontload all their jokes and then you go see the movie and you're like you see like one joke that

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_06]: you didn't that you didn't see in the trailer right so um and it's like it's just out of fear

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_06]: that they're not gonna like no one's gonna come see it unless once we're really you give them

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: everything they want just just fill them up with all of this stuff and when they come and they

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: well in some ways they're right one second of movie to see yeah I don't know now I mean here's a

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: question all day on yet it does a if a movie has a spoiler and at the you learn beforehand

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: will that ruin just if or if a spoiler can kind of ruin an experience of a movie is it a bad

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: movie like no okay well would would you like or like if if you watched the sixth sense knowing

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that Bruce Willis was a ghost spoiler everybody but like does that mean that knowing that beforehand

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: does that make it a lesser movie that knowing that ending does what do you think that ruins an

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I think in that case since that's such a big twist knowing that would ruin my ability to enjoy

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_06]: the movie but it doesn't mean that the sixth sense of the bad movie but it was like as recently

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I was spoiled on the entire plot to Guardians of the Galaxy 3 because there was a leaked script

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: apparently but I've also had some pretty interesting attendegas foil a lot but I had a kind of an

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_06]: interesting not really a spoiler where before I went to see in-game I saw this article that

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_06]: game informer had put out and they were like basing it on the progression of the story that

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Marvel's trying to tell me like could captain America wield for his hammer in this movie and I was like

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe and then it happened that I was like

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: something like a spoiler you know it had me thinking about it apparently Marvel had or the

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: rooses had wanted Thanos to decapitate captain America who in the original which would have been

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that would have been awesome I would have watched that for sure I mean the ending in

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: game is better not with the kids that's all right

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: so anyway so getting back to Jupiter ascending it's I mean it's I think it is like

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Valerian it is a space opera kind of has the the cheesy romance and some of the very over the top

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_03]: styles to it which I mean for the most part I like and I appreciate and I wish there were more

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: original films like this big kind of big budget sci-fi films but again space operas.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah exactly but again we're kind of like with Valerian most recently we're

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: losing that pretty quickly because people are just like for example I was talking to people about

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember which movie maybe earlier in the year that didn't do that well and

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they oh it no it was a mortal engines that I mentioned to you last year the Peter Jackson

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: produced kind of steam punk action movie and they're like oh yeah I heard about that but

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really feel like going to see it and so it really looked good oh it's good it's good

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but again I think it's this people are not if they're not familiar with something like if

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: it has moreable stamped on it they'll go see anything but if it's not attached to a kind of IP iconic IP it's not

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: going to unless it's like you know even Mad Max Fury Road did I mean it did pretty well but I think that

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: we're really losing original movies pretty quickly which sucks but and there's a super

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_06]: clear reason for that you know 100% obvious answer for that oh you know give it to us

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_06]: our eyes don't keep us waiting it's just just the studio heads and the people that

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_06]: that run the projections and get the money and make the budgets they're just like you know

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: they see how well Disney is doing and how well all these big budget blockbusters are doing

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_06]: in the sequels and the reboots and they look at an original screenplay and they're just like well

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: where's the guarantee yeah exactly where's the guarantee you look you just said you you stamp

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_06]: marble on something you throw it out though you don't need a guarantee no you know it's at least

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of break even you know you you look at an original screenplay and you're like we have absolutely

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_06]: no guarantee that this is going to you know and then they look at all you know the flops and they're

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: flashes even worse you know that's that's less let's move law for us you know you can't buy

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: those next beach homes anymore I think people tend to also just sort of pre-previsualize what they're

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_06]: going to do or you know they make their decisions beforehand like when Valerians first trailer come

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_06]: out came out I saw tons of people commenting and talking about it and they were like oh this is

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_06]: gonna flop like so hard like it got a slow softball and it's like well those people are

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_06]: going to go see it so yeah of course it's gonna flop you're saying like all it's gonna flop and you

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: don't go well and again it's like this question of what's the difference between Valerian and all these

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: other sci-fi fantasy movies that they everybody goes and see haps sees you know buying their ticket on

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: um opening night you know it doesn't make a lot of sense really because they are pretty much the

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_06]: same kind of film in many ways so just like Star Wars and the Valerian city of thousand planets

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: yep I would be like let's go see it yeah except maybe not I don't know and I saw that trailer

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I'm there and I did see it I think it was like right so yeah I did not see Valerian

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but we're not too familiar you know but no I'll save that yeah save that for a little later so

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: be a Jupiter ascending I mean are you are you a fan of the wichowski's in general are you a

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: speed racer fan speed racer yeah I never saw that that's another one of their big is it flops for sure

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_06]: they did that yes oh yeah I am the matrix of course it's great I'm even a pretty big fan of

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_06]: the second and third one I do think they get a little ridiculous but yeah I think some people will

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_06]: rag on the the sequel's pretty hard but I like them what are they doing nowadays they're gonna

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: guess something coming up they they had that since eight net looks shoot but I think that got

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: canceled as well yeah I was a sister okay very good yeah so again it's like people are

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: afraid to watch their movies now because some of their films have flopped financially and

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they're like no that's I mean it's gotta be terrible but no I mean clearly there are

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_06]: some fans out there um I just think that uh as a creative person you know if you're a director

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: a writer if you if you have a real hot streak and then you sort of have a couple downers

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: it's it's hard to come back from that it is because the masses will start to start to just be like

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_06]: you know this guy's he's losing it yeah he's losing his edge more about Tim Burton why would we

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_06]: support this guy anymore Tim Burton yeah I was only under the impression that he was on the downturn

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_06]: oh yeah I mean I knew Dumbo was that's another Disneyland action I have not seen I mean that was kind

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: of not a huge flop but not nearly as successful as a lot of the other live action Disney

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and then also Miss Peregrin's home didn't do great he should um she should do some more

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: animated movies whose animated stuff I love that you know there so he kind of he's kind of just

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_06]: drinking his own special sauce right now a little bit a little bit man so but uh you know our

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_06]: richy show because a good example of sort of just after his early hot streak people were just like

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_06]: you know this get him out of here oh did you hear he's not directing sure one oh my god yeah I was

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: talking with I was talking with Chloe and the other Henry on the last show they didn't care if

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like geez like you know it's just I don't even remember the guy's name but apparently

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a guy who did rock at man that's right next to dexter flecher apparently he's a very good friend

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: of gyroaches oh really they knew each other when they were younger and they've worked together a few

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_06]: times like a very small ways and I hope that means like i wish he's gonna at least be some sort

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_06]: of consultant I bet he will be producer I hope he'll be like a producer yeah but uh I was I was

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_06]: levied Jacob when I saw that I was levied I hope this this dexter character knows what he's doing

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_06]: sounds like trouble to me so cause you know the homes man deserves better the downy the law

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: it is better yeah the film buds dot bang camp dot com is the place where you can get our guy richy

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: bonus show the jik was was on it was just the two of us true so go take a look yeah listen yeah take a

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah there you go all right well anything else about Jupiter ascending there's a great scene where

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: melakunus or chanting tatem goes I have more in common with dogs than I do with you

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and melakunus goes I love dogs it's just like there are these weird little kind of it's a weird

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: chemistry a weird sense of like are we supposed to be laughing at this kind of thing is it's

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: supposed to be creepy and it just so some things like that I think do fall fall kind of flat and

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: hurt the movie but it still can't hide ears oh yeah not not great not great um yeah yeah

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: chanting tatems look and this is not very good he was like about he can just I wonder how many

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_06]: you're not I'm not trying to generalize here but I wonder how many people went to see it

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: just you know just because of chanting tatems probably a lot he's I would say it's got the body yeah

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: he's got that star power man yeah so I mean I'm sure a decent amount so um but and people

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: went to see it for melakunus maybe true it's true perhaps you know why don't I have much more to say about it

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I think plot wise it's pretty standard you know you know I'm pretty forgetful now it's pretty

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_06]: forgettable um I don't remember much I don't really like Eddie Redmayne had some like siblings or

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: something that were also you will yeah but yeah but I mean yeah it's just the visuals are

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: can be really good um and it's yes very underrated not a masterpiece by any means but still worth

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: luck if you like sci-fi movies you know all right well out of five Jacob oh normally I'm like right there

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: it's not today takes me thinking three three okay all right right down the middle hey or right above

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a 3.5 for me so yeah yeah so all right well cool I guess we can move on to our second retro

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: review which is loop basons Valerian and the city of a thousand planets from 2017

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and we got a clip let's take a listen leaving exospace three two one exit

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_07]: whoa whoa whoa easy well better late than dead you want to drive well put your end back on the

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_07]: well you can put your hands back on the joystick well you please for your hand that cool the

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_07]: joy stop complaining about my driving yes I'm sorry you're a great driver you're the best driving

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the entire universe oh thank you all right so

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Valerian and the city of a thousand planets came out in July 2017 and is directed by loop basons

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_03]: stars dandahon caradelabine clivalin riana Ethan Hawk

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: might be about it and the synopsis is a dark force threatens alpha a vast metropolis and home to

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: species from a thousand planets special operatives belirian and lower line must race to identify

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the marauding menace and safeguard not just alpha but the future of the universe so yeah

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: this one is was a little more well received out say than Jupiter sending was but it's still did not

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: enjoyed this one a lot more yes as did I and in terms of financial

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: numbers it against a budget of around 200 million it grossed 225.9 million so it was a pretty

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: big flop as well which is too bad and so it's it is based off a famous comic book or

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_03]: graphic novel series French from that I believe started in the 60s and I've actually read a few

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I read a few back maybe at the beginning of the year and it's a really really good

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting and inspired sci-fi series and it's actually the one that that most inspired George Lucas

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: for Star Wars because this the comic books predated the Star Wars films and so he really drew a lot from

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: from these stories for that yeah and yeah this one is also a kind of epic space opera as well

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and when I when it came out I didn't know had never heard of the series or anything and so

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of went in blank but I I love the film I think it's this maybe a hot take Jacob I don't know

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: that's it's would be in my top few sci-fi movies of the last decade yeah I um I loved it I

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_06]: the only thing that was keeping me from from sort of considering it near perfect was just just a few

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_06]: minor things that I will get into well were they are get into it man have you said like the

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_06]: cast and the budget and everything yet oh yeah yeah I was looking up I'll yeah looking up to see what

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I had like scored it on letterbox I guess I missed it yeah no you're fine um you've gained a

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: hunt we've talked about that guy before yes but I'll show we talked about him we did yeah

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: um all right so didn't see this in theaters I think the only reason I didn't see it in

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_06]: theaters was because I couldn't afford to or something like at the time or didn't have time

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: first times one at the first time wanted to see it but so then I sort of forgot about it

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_06]: until like a figure if this year when I was on I was on Amazon just scrolling through looking for

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_06]: it to watch going through a little bit of a depressive period where tons of movies revolving

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_06]: there man watch like 15 movies and three days uh it was like I was like all of the

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: laryan is like never watched that I'll go ahead and watch it was on primes free oh so damn no that's awesome

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_06]: got to love it yeah so uh so I gave it a watch and I really enjoyed it um dandahime I thought

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought dandahime and charadaridilvine were both a very very goodness um sorry my dog uh

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_06]: dandahime as we we said before in the last moment I was a little bit hit or miss yes um I think he's

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he's mostly a hit here uh card delivine I don't really think she's been in that many movies

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah was it her first movie now she was in suicide squad before this oh yeah yeah of course

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_06]: um I mean she's you know she's more like on she comes from like a modeling background that's yeah that's her main

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: career of she does music maybe a little yeah there's actually uh I don't know if it's actually in the

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: movie or not but she does a song that's on the soundtrack for this movie I'm sure I talked about how much

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I love her in our DC bonus show but right I'm I really like her as well I think she's great in this

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: not as much not in everything she's in but I really do like her in this yeah yeah and she's pretty

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_06]: easy on the eyes if I if I may say that's true that's true she's a good a good female psychic there

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to be yeah sidekick well I don't know if I'm called or sidekick she's their partners right

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_06]: partners yeah that was the very poor words what's very bad I apologize yeah

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_06]: um yeah partner um I don't know if I mentioned this in the live in the DC bonus show but

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_06]: she is the the voice actor for the DJ of the pop station on Grintos butterfly

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_06]: is she now I don't know that little uh cameo right yeah yeah other other uh voice actors for

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: hosts on the on the radio in that game or can you log in some Danny McBride interesting

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: anyways but yeah I really like her in this so yeah really like her in this

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Dane DeHon great sidekick he's the sidekick right Reanna

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought was amazing I thought she was great and it is well yeah yeah and Ethan Hawke

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_06]: come me cowboy yeah really good um see who else really bizarre that her behind cock

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_06]: is in this movie yeah because I was like I was like her behind like jazz musician her behind cock

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_06]: right like the her behind cock because I I don't you know the the the the viewers don't

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_06]: the listeners don't know this but I have a jazz background oh do you play saxophone for

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_06]: no wow I don't know that I still have one but I picked it up in a well um and

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just on the fan of herbie listen to quite a lot of herbie back in the day

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_06]: still do watermelon man it's a song by him great one but I was like

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_06]: interesting so weird that he's in this movie you know with this one can do what he wants

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and he just had the movie Anna come out the spy yeah I want to see that it's good but

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I like movies that can sort of suck you into their world you know and I think Valarian in

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the short amount of time it had does a very good job of world building yes not just one world

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_06]: but two um so I thought that the the whole thousand planets check yeah the the aliens

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_03]: what were they called the the Pearl uh people on at the beginning yeah yeah it's the the Pearl

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: world I can't remember the exact name but it's like yeah that that was sequence is amazing

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought they did a lot of world building for um for for that world the aliens world and then

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_06]: world building for the world that we mostly take place in and in the space station um was amazing

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_06]: what they're going through like all this part of the space station is for like banking and stuff

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and all the robots and then this one's underwater and all these like electrical jelly fish and

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: this is where the humans are and the opening sequence to the movie amazing set to

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: David Willie's uh space out of the yeah yeah we're all the you're seeing all these different

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: creatures come through and each one is just vastly different in terms of design and personality

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and you expect them to be or they expect them to be violent towards them but then

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah they're making these peace agreements yeah they're all making friends you know and uh

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_06]: just so I was really invested in the world just really sucked right in and and um

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_06]: there's a lot of fun I had a lot of fun watching it and you know I think more movies need to

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_06]: do that with the world you can't just if you're gonna have a world that's not

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_06]: our our world in like our time period now you know because a lot of movies are just set

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_06]: in the where we are now you're gonna have something that's not that you know you really need to do

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_06]: some work not it is not a lot of work being done no now I mean even like you know we did our

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_06]: John Wickbone a show freaking love those movies and a lot of world building is done but

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_06]: it's not like the the entire movies are not sort of focused on just that right and um you know

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_06]: that that that's okay for those movies but um yeah just just great I was I was like I wish

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish I was there yeah for sure yeah all those little those three little aliens

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_06]: that uh had all the information oh yeah those weird little things those were great um

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_06]: not the only thing I'm gonna review my story in a little earlier okay the only thing that

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_06]: caused me to give this like a 4.5 instead of a 5 was there were these I thought that

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Dandahon and Carl Lvine were great in this but then there were these these random moments where

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_06]: all effort which is dropout just out of nowhere especially for Cara like the one scene where

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Dandahon is driving that spaceship into the radioactive zone um and she's trying to like locate

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_06]: him with the tracker and just trying to get him to come in her voice just becomes like the void of

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_06]: emotion and like her eyes are dead and like she just doesn't really sound like she's trying and like

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_06]: responding to her and he's only sounding like he's trying and that whole scene which is weird to me

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it was like where is the acting it's gone and there were just a couple of moments like that

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_06]: that uh I just sort of phase down yeah and um and that's really it and uh

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_06]: another couple great scenes were uh the super the the um the big

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: mall or whatever was in another dimension yes go shopping yes the market yeah yeah the money and uh

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: he's crashing through the different floors and there's like a different completely new

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of design of everything and all these new creatures and everything it's amazing and the

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_06]: way that worked was just so interesting with the we seem just running around the desert but then

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_06]: he's he's like in this whole he's got the sorry guys got the gun thing yeah yeah that's one thing

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: with this movie is there are so many interesting new sci-fi ideas sprinkle throughout this movie

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_03]: just they're not at the same time not to uh overtake Jacobie or it's fun uh they're not over

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: explained we're as other movies similar to it will take like 20 minutes to explain this new piece of

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: technology or why they're doing this but in this like there's the one with the almost like

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the jellyfish over the head you know where they and they can see into things stuff like that is

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_03]: amazing and it's not you don't need to know the backstory of it you can just kind of get little

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_03]: hints of it and yeah I love the kind of virtual it is almost like a virtual reality kind of thing

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: or when they're in the market as well so that's one thing I really appreciate this movie for

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_03]: that many others like it do not have just all the ideas are really lame so yeah and uh

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_06]: the that sort of dinner feast scene where they're bringing all that food to the the king

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_06]: the alien race which has got the giant hat but it's actually like a plate hmm it's going to

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: your head yeah and the scene with Rihanna dancing we're changing all the outfits is incredible

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: it's great as well and yeah it's just I would say and I'll go ahead and reveal my

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: star rating Jacob but that's okay the reason that this is a hit at not that this is a light five

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: at a five not a heavy five at a five is that I feel like the final 20 minutes or so kind of drag

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because it essentially just becomes a pretty typical sci-fi shootout kind of action

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: resolution and it's just not that interesting to watch where is everything before it is so new and

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: fresh but then they spend this very long amount of time just with very kind of lame or not lame

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but pretty generic um shootouts and and action sequences and but uh one other thing I do love is

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: the where he's running through I guess it's after the scene that you were talking about with

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_03]: car delving kind of phasing out but the scene where he's running through all the different worlds you

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: know it's like he's I guess it's on a I don't know what you'd call it like a like a gel kind of tunnel

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: or something where he's running through and there's all these different um almost universes that he's

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_06]: seeing oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's just yeah great world boating into that like underwater one

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah and it's like it's yeah it's great world building and you don't need to know every little bit

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: of it it's just really interesting and I really wish there would be a sequel to this movie

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that's one sequel I really want to see oh yeah and I would recommend the the comic books as well

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: there are a really cool um I might actually go back and keep reading them because of this discussion so

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_06]: thank you Jacob for that. Hey Luke the songs sort of dip into sci-fi was like the fifth element

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_06]: yep sort of have this you know yeah and then you could say that you know to leon the professional

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of decided to go do you know yeah and he got his and before that he had done

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Laughem Nikita so he's kind of dips into sci-fi and a lot of spy action movies as well so

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: although he does have a lot of misses in his career um whereas I mean he things like

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Valerian and the professional Laughem Nikita are great there are a lot of not so good movies and his

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: filmography but you know having Valerian in there is pretty good Jacob I would say

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I don't really like with element that much oh no no I recognize it's marid

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm not a fan I like it I would I prefer Valerian though for sure I think the

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_06]: fifth element kind of just romanticizes the whole um board of sci-fi yesterday trope

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting we'll have to re-review that when at some point get into it you know you know

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_06]: she's just like I'm an alien and I don't know how things work

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to see me naked yeah I don't know that that's a wrong thing they do yeah

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know it's just she feels very like infantile one yeah for sure sexualized an agree

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_06]: then you know bristle is good he is yeah

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_03]: all right well anything else about Valerian Jacob she's doing millage over the

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: finish sure we didn't review the new hell boy so we could throw that one in there

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: oh yeah do all the resin you movies okay I've only seen I think I've seen two I haven't seen

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_06]: it's not about um monster hunter coming up oh yeah I've seen all of the resin you will

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_06]: movies because I watch them off my friend do not remember what you like any of them yeah I remember

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_06]: parts of three I remember wine everyone says that's the best wine and I'm like well that's not

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_06]: really saying much and then I remember the final chapter because I saw it in theaters and

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_06]: we couldn't stop laughing and this guy was like can you shut up I'm trying to enjoy this movie

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and I was like I'm sorry yeah but not because we're talking but because you think that

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_06]: you can enjoy this movie this is actually good yeah that was that was the year that John Wick

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_06]: came out and triple X return of Zander Cage I know that because Ruby Rose is in all three of those

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_06]: movies oh issue yeah but where were we going oh yeah she's also in that movie the fourth kind

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't seen that it's this really bizarre sort of is that that murdered one it's about aliens

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_06]: all right it's like a it's like a documentary but like a fictional documentary um not like a

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_06]: mockumentary because it uses it uses like real footage of things that actually happened and

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_06]: but like Millenio Beach plays this like fictional therapists or something I don't know it's really weird

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_06]: they use live footage of this thing that happened where this guy

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_06]: thought that his family had been abducted and replaced by aliens that looked like them so he

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_06]: like killed his whole family and like shot himself there was like police footage of it happening

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like through the window like from a distance so you can't really tell what's happening but that's

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_06]: in the movie and I actually happened wow there's a really weird I happy film you know it's funny

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_06]: her husband the director of all the resident evil movies and the upcoming monster Paul DMS Anderson

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_06]: monster Hunter movie yeah everyone's like oh that's that that's like I did boogie nights right

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_06]: oh god no he also did Pompey had no idea that the guy that did boogie nights also did

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: resident crazy crazy such a difference in quality yeah yeah he also did Pompey with Kit Harrington

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and Emily Browning which is about the Pompey volcano disaster terrible terrible oh yeah

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_04]: um what was I gonna say train I thought oh yeah so this pole recently and it was like

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_06]: not really a pole it was just sort of like what do you think is the best opening to a movie

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and and I put in boogie nights oh nice hmm that's the best but it's one of the yeah for sure

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a good question what the best opening to a film yeah all right well we have Villarian is

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_06]: um it's a great one it's a love car and as I love Dan in this

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_06]: climb Owen as well he's a crazy fish man right yeah well no no you know Fisherman some ring dude

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_06]: oh he's like a military guy oh yeah who plays the they go in like a summary and

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_06]: to go get the eel or not the eel the jellyfish and he's like really weird um that's a good

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_06]: question I don't know off hand but it was both great I apologize again for that side kid

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_06]: coming that's okay just kind of don't know what I was saying don't forgive you

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you know I don't want like like 15 years when when fame has found me to be like

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_06]: a or a comeback in 2019 hmm when Jacob said it'll this the listeners are gonna take this little

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: audio clip at a context and they're just gonna you know gonna James gun me yeah

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but hey guess what you'll still get to direct guardians three he did a lot worse than me though yeah

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the plot to guardians three sounds good but I don't know yeah well don't spoil it you know

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: about to say everything right now well I know I'm more excited for Suicide Squad and then you

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: say you'll cut it out but then you won't never look at the foil yeah well I'll have to wait and see

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah Suicide's got to be good I think I can get I think I think I hope we've talked before about how

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_06]: he sort of makes weird weird characters like good you know for sure it's like I know like

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_06]: King Shark is gonna be in it and King Shark is not the most well known of Batman's villains

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and right so just kind of go weird we do like he could put but freaking like quilt man in there

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: probably make a good condiment man that's another Batman villain oh wow calendar man

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_06]: all great names put all of them in there yeah you know calendar man it's cooler than he sounds you

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: know he is he he commits mass murders on on specific holidays and he has like a calendar

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_06]: tattooed on his face quilt man just like strangles people with a quilt or something I mean

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_06]: that seems very logical whereas like a quilt flies around with it I don't know uh no condiment man

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: he killed people like ketchup or ketchup and mustard but they like acid in them okay that's pretty cool

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: all right that's cool it's great guy yeah real class act she's a man batting yeah

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope that you know I don't know we don't have a lot of plot details yet but I hope that

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_06]: red lose in this one you know because he's in the the original suit that's quite storyline

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_06]: he's um he's sort of like the leader almost like he's working directly with a man to wall

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_06]: there where like he's still a villain but he's like I can get you these these villains and I

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_06]: can like I can like help you lead them he's like a defacto leader he still has one of the explosive

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_06]: collars on he's sort of like a defacto leader for the rest of the the villains kind of like how um

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: why don't they really have a leader in the last one but yeah and that's kind of they kind of do

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: that storyline and um the Batman tells how games I don't know if anyone on the podcast is gonna

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_06]: good enough I'm talking about there for sure don't know but yeah um they kind of went with that plot line

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_06]: plus the riddle is just the fav you know so hope he's in it yeah hopefully just get your

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: carry again yeah well mostly also yeah I don't know I don't know who else can play the riddle yeah

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I just hope James gun doesn't cast his brother again no I'm not a big Sean gun fan

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: nepotism man get out of here crackling yeah all right well out of five for Valyrian Jacob

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw that I give it a four out of letter box but upon Valyria review I'd say 4.5

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_06]: or five for me man five for me I really want to give it a five but there's that one scene

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: certain it gets it just feel off yeah yeah man what can you do though

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Valyrian uh acts like a real womanizer in this oh yeah but he's a he's a ladies man

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: lower lines not having any of it no way but no I think they're a good pairing so you know

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: both in terms of actors and and also just the character or dynamics are pretty interesting so

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought part of what he just like asked her the mariam please be like totally serious yeah

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: she's just like shut up great great reenactment so all right well cool I guess

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: with the reviews done we can just kind of jump into the the open discussion on on cinema on box

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: office bombs on how we think things are gonna go so Jacob what where are we in cinema are we

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: cinema dying our theaters going to be gone in 10 years I hope not but um I think they might be

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you know with a lot of people have these projections but I think that you know people are going

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: to the theater less and less and and you know maybe in the future we won't have any theaters anymore you

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_06]: know people just not going everyone never want especially with this I think ludicrous

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_06]: plan to release movies on home video or or video on demand the the night that they release in theaters

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_06]: all right so if you don't want to go to the theater use watch at home that's ridiculous yeah I understand

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_06]: some people don't want to go out and deal with all the people and you know because you never know

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: what kind of theater experience you're gonna have now I've had some bad theaters always but I've had

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_06]: some really good ones you think that if someone's gonna go to a movie they they'd go to sit down

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: and be quiet and watch the movie and enjoy it but no some people go to just have a conversation

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I had some turd in front of me on her phone during the Lion King same checking that every 10 minutes

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_06]: with their boyfriend I had their little skill in front of me with her phone on which

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: most of the time I'm like whatever people are gonna use their phones I don't really care even if

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: like like the little light doesn't bother me like if they're just on their phone but she just

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_06]: used to turn the volume off it just kept dinging which is like dinging and I was like just

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_06]: turn the volume off it's like what do you do with Jesus like the whole movie it was just going

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_06]: off and I was like do you know where you are yeah seriously but and now with this he's fireman home

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_06]: coming there was some jerks in the back with a laser pointer and oh my god put it on the screen

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_06]: beaters I mean let's get rid of them you know you know I think and so I understand why

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_06]: they're going in that direction and some people also just want to watch things in the comfort

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: of their own home by themselves or with their loved ones and streaming is the way to go some

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_06]: people might have but crazy homes set up that they think is better than what the theater has

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_06]: but I value the theater experience and I think there are still a lot of people that do

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_06]: but I worry that over time there I'm gonna be enough you know I like going to a movie

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and especially all the theaters around here have those recliners now and I like this

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_06]: laying back on my leather recliner with a bag of popcorn watching a movie on a giant screen

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_06]: really just not a science-saving really light sound oh the one that I was go to as a science

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_06]: that's always why I'd buy tickets ahead of time yeah it's just because there's only like

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: four seats per row or something so but then the one at the mall doesn't have the recliners yet

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_06]: so there's like 200 seats for a little to hear something because they're all like really small

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_06]: seats yeah oh all sides someone kept kicking my seat or in the lying king too brutal man

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_06]: don't get it the phone going off the kicking manners are out the window maybe that's why I

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: couldn't enjoy them every man for themselves these days and you got babies crying and I'm like

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: just enough don't enough don't bring the baby the baby yeah don't bring your baby did see Deadpool

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah oh please god yeah don't bring your baby to see John Wick see the lying king oh yeah

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean lying king is more understandable not not Deadpool but I get it you know

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_06]: but I would I would say don't even bring your baby to see like see like the emoji

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_06]: would be or something like if your child's not old enough to really understand what's going on

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: or know where they are and what they're seeing and form memories of it like just stay home yeah

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: well that may be the issue because then they'll start releasing things in at home

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and less and less people go to the theater so maybe we should have those kids go to the

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: no matter what just so that way we can keep theaters around definitely didn't want to go see

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: sacrifices must be made you know well that you know my solution is to become very wealthy

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: build my own house and just build a movie theater right there in my house

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: with with theater seating you know projector speaker system popcorn

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: right so I never have to go out and see a movie again you know if they uh

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_06]: if they do this thing where they're releasing it on on on on on the same night then I just pull it

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_06]: up on my my own theater at home be just like going to the movies but I'll be all by myself yeah

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: well me because I guess an issue is even though you know something like a

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Avengers in game which is very close to becoming the biggest movie of all time financially

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if most people had the choice between watching that at home and watching it in the theater

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: they would pick watching it at home I think and so I just didn't lean enough the fourth time

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I went to see it I was one of only two people and maybe you know well it's been out since

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_06]: May or April it was the fourth time I went to see it was in like it was like the end of May

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: all right no well they're it's doing pretty well I would say record this but

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah it was the end of May but uh

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: oh yeah got that chicken waiting for you yeah the whole house most like chicken yeah

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: plus all this talk of popcorn hmm thanks be one of the biggest part

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think that you know there have been just this year a quite a number of

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: flops like Minim Black is one who the new X-Men dark Phoenix that flopped pretty hard

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I mean there are kind of an increasing number and

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: these big financial flops and I think that again like we've talked about it is

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: partly due to bigger budgets but also it's the idea of

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: studio execs thinking that they are a franchise is more precious than what people actually

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_03]: think of it like Minim Black you know people love the first one

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: the others are okay I would say it best and like but then they're like hey let's spend

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: 150 200 million on this new Minim Black people are gonna love that let's bring in new people

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and all of that but no it's like we don't care about that that kind of stuff and

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_06]: it might be 23 still would have been a great idea

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: that was the 21-Jump Street Minim Black crossover is right and yeah it might be 23

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and and then also one thing Jacob with the film mortal engines which I I like quite a bit

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and there have been some others and actually dark Phoenix as well I'll throw a little question

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: to you if you were a studio exec all right and your little suit you know in your board room

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but you were you not one who's actually out there making bad decisions if you had a

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: $200 million film and you were trying to pick a director what would be the qualifications

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_06]: that you would like to have well I mean for as far as I'd like a director that has directed

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of hits right so in other words experience right well in the director yes so in this

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: case with X-Men Dark Phoenix while Simon Kenberg had written a lot of the recent X-Men movies

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: this was his first big film Dark Phoenix mortal engines first time director

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: 47 Ronin which was another film that we were considering reviewing with Kiana Reeves which is one of the

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: flops of all time the samurai fantasy action film again it's like a $250 million

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: budget or something like that and it's the first time director who had done like a short film before

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: that the great wall that flopped but there was an experience director in that one what about um

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: what let go some of the show that that was kind of a flop not a huge one but I think it didn't

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think that was more the whole whitewashing controversy as well yeah like that is that

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah but there are so many of these huge big budget films and original films that are being

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: given to first-time directors who have no idea how to bring it

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: to us like a normal audience would enjoy or make it a good quality movie for

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: for what it is and so there that's another reason I think a lot of these big but

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: it movies are flopping is because there's it's getting poor reviews because the directors don't

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: know what they're doing I would say there's a couple instances I can think of

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_06]: to where like a director will have directed just an absolutely amazing

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_06]: knockout you know film further their first film and then their second film just doesn't

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: perform well at all really but is still good I guess two examples I have are uh

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I was the name director of Nightcrawler Dan Gilroy yeah Nightcrawler generally considered to be

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: that he did what is it um I say yeah that keep going oh yeah that movie kind of

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_06]: just didn't really do well at all like it wasn't it wasn't reviewed very well in

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Roman J S is real S square yeah yeah but and then he most recently did develop it bus saw

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: with Jason Johnson wasn't reviewed very well no but it's difficult to say with Netflix films

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_06]: whether they flopping on because they don't really reveal numbers that much but

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_06]: plus one they do there's no way to vet it so it could just be fake um you have like Alex

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Garland with ex Machina amazing yes an isolation which I also think is absolutely amazing but

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_06]: just didn't do well yeah you know although the budget on that one wasn't as big right

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_06]: so I think I want to go back to it was when I said earlier that people sort of pre-determined

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like they see something like oh this is gonna flop I'm not gonna go see it we already make

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_06]: their decision instead of going to see it and then making a decision which I understand not

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_06]: everyone wants to do that because that's not very affordable way of doing things like I don't

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they have enough to pay the who-loose subscription or Amazon Prime you know they got that money

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll ask my trainer to thought there um people don't have money to go see movies

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_06]: well that was okay that was the end of the summer side aside train but um like people

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: making up their minds before they go see a movie oh um at the same time though I think that

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you can sort of predict what is gonna happen with a movie you know like you can sort of look

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and be like I don't think that's gonna do very well right you know like a the most recent

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Kevin Hart comedy or something you know yeah you look at that in the

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_06]: good night school or something you know you look at that and you're like well

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you know that that I can't possibly do very well you know and although the budgets on that are

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty small so it's not like it's a a huge but then he's like great in jumanji so it's like what are

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: you doing Kevin yeah um so it is it is sort of easy to predict whether a movie is gonna flop or not

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: but I think well help if people would stop making up their minds before they even

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: give it a chance terminator dark fate flop or hit come out in September or October I think

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_06]: see I've never really been the biggest terminator fan directed because I don't think I did Deadpool

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_06]: right not because I don't like them and not because um like it's not because I think they're bad

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: because I don't like them I've just never really been like yes did well again I think that's similar to

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: something like minimum black it's like there are these $200 million sequels being

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: hashed out because people think there are or these studio execs think there are is more

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: care from audiences for these things than there actually is like I think if you talk to most

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: people and did a poll if there's like a yes or no like would you like to see a terminator

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: sequel it's like I guess it's like you know probably no I would think there's been enough

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: there's just not that much to explore and same thing same thing with minimum black it's like

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: if I had a choice between that and something else it's like no I don't think I would choose a

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: minimum black sequel I've seen I've discovered enough about that world to know I really liked

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_06]: what I saw when I first saw the trailers that's another thing I think uh

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_06]: movie studios production companies would ever have gotten very good very very good these days

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_06]: at making good trailers yes so you see a trailer and you're like wow I'm in and you see the

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_06]: movie and you're like what the hell shit you know so I cause it which is it's probably intentional

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: you know but uh gotten very good at making good trailers yeah you know we've had a run of these

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: saw these repurposed songs or or covers that are very these like dark slow

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: um kind of ghostly covers like in a terminator dark fate or I don't know if that's a cover or not

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's this kind of um dreary um unsettling music that they play and same thing with uh

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that new will Smith film Gemini man there's the uh a cover song or cover of a song in that

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: and then same thing with X-Men Dark Phoenix as well that that trailer had that and so there's this

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: this trend I mean and I think it works I like it sorry my dog sorry about that everybody do

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: decals you know but yeah I uh which and and so I agree I think there are some I love seeing a

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_06]: good trailer you know I'm like just some people sometimes I'm like I just want to watch the trailer

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_06]: eight times then ghosty the movie you know after I've seen the movie and I'm like well that wasn't really

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_06]: what I was expecting like I saw um the trailer for knives out recently oh yeah and I think that looks

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_06]: great and also um uh uh set movie about hide and seek

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_06]: like where the the woman gets married and uh oh his it's like his rich family plays this

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_06]: game right every time yeah yeah one of the marries that like hunter down in killer but she survives

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: them yeah you know it was called like watch out or yeah like and have you seen the trailer for

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: this new uh Blum House movie called The Hunt it's like this uh kind of cat and mouse um hunting

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_06]: humans for sport does that are we talking about the same movie no this is different sure yeah okay

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: um this one is yeah that one looks interesting as well so but I think I mean I think movies will always

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: be around because something like Blum House who do all these low budget horror films you can make a

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: very decent movie for little money holly in terms of Hollywood terms I guess but um I think again

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I think marketing is pretty crucial these days because we are so oversaturated with

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: content that it's hard to um kind of get your market if you don't have a massive amount of funding

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_06]: with you guys are looking at the monsters that's another another flop.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely brilliant trailer but um and that that flopped well not I didn't think terribly but

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I loved the movie that I'm just a big Godzilla fan but um I think all all that was really great in it

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_06]: was the monsters they're designed totally they're the fighting between them you know the effects

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: but then sort of like the grounded human plot line had the same problem that Godzilla had

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: where they they focus on the sort of human plot line that just isn't very good yeah and they sort

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_06]: of waste really Bobby Brown and Kyle Chandler and um Sarah Paul's and Vera for me go

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I was going back that Sarah Paul's and yeah they sort of just waste waste those people

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and uh but like he can do it looks amazing awesome yeah I saw that in iMacs

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_06]: saw the first one in iMacs but yeah Godzilla I saw that in iMacs but uh just saw this one in regular

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_06]: can't be uh can't be a 4 9 Macs these days oh no it's it's it's tough man last movie I saw an iMacs was

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_06]: actually I think I saw like I saw an Fendi War in iMacs by myself like the third time

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_06]: but um the last movie I thought was worthy of 3D iMacs was a doctor strange

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I could see that probably could have also seen far from home in uh 3D iMacs because those

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Mysterio visuals were pretty pretty good pretty can you I've you seen it I have I enjoyed it

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah more than I thought I would I thought Jake Jillon Hall was amazing I and I liked his villain

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: as well a lot and yeah it's just a really solid spider-man movie for sure

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's like I don't know where else going with that so I think it's interesting that magic

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_06]: exists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe but all of the sort of magical villains in heroes

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_06]: they other than doctors strange they sort of take in like a tech route like Mysterio's not magic

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: he's just using like the analogy well I guess in a way they're trying to keep it more grounded

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: in a way but it doesn't really work but yeah but the new doctor strange is not grounded at all

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: no which is interesting to me because Mysterio's canonical power side is magic

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you know but in this it's like oh it's uh yeah but anyways far from home spoilers

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: oh yeah I might I'll probably bleed that out but um because that's still pretty new yeah

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's okay all it's okay I'll bleed but out uh

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah but it's I think that in terms of theater going I think that there is this

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think both in terms of maybe what's out there and then also money I think just for a lot of

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: people they're gonna go see especially if they're I guess part of a maybe bigger family or group

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they're gonna pick their three or four movies that year to go see spend as much money you know

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: as they want popcorn drinks soda I thought used to be for me yeah and then and it's probably going

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to be Star Wars Marvel maybe one live action Disney movie and then maybe like you know a

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Harry Potter movie if it's out that year you know but other than that people are gonna stay

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: home and watch something you know I think for better and for worse I think it's interesting

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_06]: that you know the movie industry the movie theater experience and all that so it's really

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like uh sent files and people who appreciate sent them up because I wouldn't call myself a sent

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_06]: a file but I definitely don't just want to stay home all the time and watch stuff but um

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm an interesting thing that you have like people who review movies for a living like it's their

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_06]: job they are a critic that works for a site or they work for a company or something they

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_06]: would be movies so they go see every single movie that comes out and they review it but then they're

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: also people that just do that guy I follow some people on letterbox they're not they don't

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: review for a living but they they go see everything and I'm like I don't want to do that I just

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: want to go see what I want to see yeah I want to go see super oh god flavor man now I will say

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: this summer I have gone to see most movies and I mean I mean now we do a podcast so I see

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty much at least one new movie a week for it but lately like aside from Stuber and like

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: one other I've seen everything in theaters right now I think what I haven't had a chance to see

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: it mid summer oh it's good yeah and I just don't like my friend and I was supposed to see it

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_06]: together but he he just continues because keeps bailing on me over and over again which is weird because

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_06]: he always sees movies with me but shame on that guy I don't it's not a movie I really want to go see

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_06]: by myself it's pretty intense so yeah like after I saw her editor he looks like I wouldn't want

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to see that by myself you know yeah but but I think that it's so again I think that people

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: if they're not if it's not and again Disney is taking over everything so like pretty much the movies

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that people are going to see are Disney properties in one way or the other yes it is article about

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: there was sort of running it down and they were like the the highest earning movie of 2018 was this

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_06]: it's owned by Disney the highest earning movie of 2017 owned by Disney 2016 owned by Disney

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: 2015 owned by Disney and it's like when I was like man yeah Disney's got it all yeah and so I think

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that if you I mean people yes people are still going to see movies like I mean Avengers in game

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: is an example of that it's made you know over two and a half billion but if you look at some

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: other films the like financial intake is pretty low I would say for a lot of them and so pretty

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: much marvel and Disney films keeping it afloat yeah and I think that and so again people will

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: they would rather go see Captain Marvel because they're familiar with that world or they've heard

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that that name before but then when mortal engines comes along or a of the laryan comes along they're

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: like now that looks a little I don't really know anything about it so I think I'll just wait and see

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: see that one on Amazon Prime rather than going to see what you mean obviously that's fine but I

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: think that that's becoming more and more of a trend with people at least in terms of all the

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: people I talk to like it work and whoever else like the marvel films are what they're going to

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: see and I'll say yeah I saw Godzilla King of the Monsters and I'm like oh I didn't even know

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: there was a new Godzilla and just like and so they're seeing what they want to see and everything else

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: is being uh Captain the Dark so to speak you know I don't see have no idea how much longer

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: people are going to go see the Marvel movies you know personally me I'm gonna see them as long

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_06]: as they're out I'm gonna see them until I die yeah every time I go the the theaters packed yeah

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_06]: so I can't really predict but do you think if Marvel movies just come up with movies in general

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_06]: because the DC movies are still very popular and what you know the the remaining

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_06]: carcasses of the Fox movie is or kind of popular um do you think if those experience

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_06]: are good to climb or an eventual death that that will sort of just equate just the death of

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_06]: the theater experience you know because the live action design movies and the Marvel movies are

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_06]: pulling in a huge portion of the theater going population right now huge portion you know

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_06]: you go see a movie that isn't one of those and the theater will be relatively full but it's

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_06]: not gonna be it's not gonna be packed it's not gonna be sold out Marvel is known for selling

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_06]: selling out the theaters not selling out but you know so I think if that ever goes away

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: that the theaters are going to take a huge hit I agree but I mean because now we have I guess marble

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: is gonna be announcing their new slate or next phase of movies pretty soon and so I guess that

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: will time will tell how much interest people have because you know we've spent 10 years with these

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: huge characters and stars and now that's all over for the most part and so now we're going to

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: either continue that in one way or the other or kind of introduce new characters that we

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe less familiar with and again that's a whole that's an issue going on right now like we've

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: discussed is if you're not familiar with it for the most part people aren't gonna go see it or at

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: least in huge numbers and so it's gonna be interesting to see I think if it does end up being

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: away I think it could really kill the the industry because there will be it's either gonna have to be

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: just a death and I don't know what will happen after that because they've finished their first

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of saga you know they call it the Infinity saga far from home was was the real end they say

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and you know like in games like the big huge thing but that far from home was really the capital

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_06]: and so they're gonna have to sort of start from scratch you know they've got the built-in

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_06]: audience but if they want to do another arc they're you know that's kind of span another 10 years

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_06]: then they're gonna have to put the work in yeah because they can't just do stand alone

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_06]: or just random dotted little movies or sequels to what they already had for the next 10 years

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that's not gonna hold up but yeah it's it's gonna be interesting to see because like I said

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_03]: it's either gonna be a complete death of the industry or maybe there will be some kind of rebirth

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: of people being like oh I guess there are other movies coming out besides marvel that could be

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting and so who knows we might see a kind of a revolution at at some point or we might just see

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_03]: cinema die-off in the theaters Jacob so but I mean movies will always be made regardless but

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the theater experience I don't know I hope it does I like seeing movies in the theater except

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: for all those very rude people on their cell phones talking I don't want to be I want to be part of

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: the generation that watched cinema die me neither man me neither so that's why I'm going to see movies

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot you know yeah so what something I meant to mention when we were talking about the

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Larry and did you have you seen the trailer for Carnival Row with Cardo V and I have our

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: land of bloom yes the Amazon Limited series what do you think it's hit miss I'm gonna I'll watch it

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like a fantasy kind of game of thrones ask but I mean it has a lot of interesting creatures

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and I would say you're the teaser for it when they were sort of on the train I was like I'm in

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and I watched the trailer and I was like no in terms of some of the effects not always great

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought but it does look interesting and I mean I'm here for for Della V so that uh

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_06]: that show that is hitting Amazon soon the boys oh yes really good yeah I know that's also based on

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_06]: that was an adaptations but it's a strong look is it isn't it I don't think so I think we had this

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: conversation I think they've turned it into one though yeah okay I thought it was the other way around

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so but yes it's going to be I think we're at a crucial time Jacob we're gonna see and also

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious I saw some article recently where they said the next two weeks are some of the most important

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: for film moving forward because we have the Lion King coming out or it is out and that's you know

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: completely CG film and then we have Tarantino's once upon a time in Hollywood and that is a

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: started completely live action um I quote unquote original film and so they're like is this if that

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: if that kind of film flops that has everything going forward I don't I don't think it's gonna flop but

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: it's turned to know exactly and the caprio Brad Pitt I mean it's it's gonna do well I think

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: hopefully it did a flop I don't think it did as well as like in Glorious Bastard or Django

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely excited for one's fun all me too man and so I think I think the hype for this

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: movie is there but they were like you know if that kind of movie flops then we might be at a

[01:36:54] pretty

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: time of change for sure but I think that movie

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of all the films coming out will do well so did you see bad times at the oil I did

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was it I did not really like it so I see yeah but I mean I've talked to some people that did so

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_06]: we I'm curious I mean this is also why a lot of the reboots are happening you know because yes

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_06]: because they know that that's the go away to make money because you're familiar the build the

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_06]: people don't care people just want what they want the original and of course you can't just like

[01:37:46] balloon

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_06]: well as about to say you can't just remake exactly what the original was but you know that's literally already

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_06]: happened just two times with like the linking and like building the piece right but

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: but also I think but with those I think especially with the Lion King is the technology of it

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: draws in people like I one of the reasons I went and saw the Lion King is because of the technology

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: so then a lot of the times these reboots actually turn into to like oh it's actually like a sequel

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_06]: you know yeah yeah I got saw the new chunky movie Chuck Chuck he chunky

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah talking movie and that's that's that was a full reboot you know I wasn't okay people people

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_06]: like it or they don't like it I've had friends say that they like it because

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: it is like a completely different thing and they're like it's good for what it is you know but

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: then people are like oh it's nothing like the old ones and then it's like well it's it's it's

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just a point in a way you know is it supposed to but uh reboots and sequels and Disney

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Lion Action movies and Marvel movies it's too much you know so yeah a lot of people talk about

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: superhero fatigue because of all the comic book movies right do well you know you don't

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: feel it I don't feel it although I have talked to a lot of people who do feel that so I

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: know that feeling is out there I'm kind of get over your souls yeah yeah I mean I'm kind of

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the middle I mean I'll all see them for the most part if but I if 10 years from now

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I go to see a Marvel movie opening night and I'm the only person there I'll be happy yeah so

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_03]: well any oh I guess one thing I will mention about started keep on bringing up

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: mortal engines but at least adjusted for an inflation yeah at least I checked and I

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: mentioned this to you adjusted for inflation it is the biggest financial flop of all time

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong but apparently it lost 175 million dollars at the market it's like

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: it's budget was almost 200 I guess that's because like um or that's like uh I don't

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_06]: want to say because I've heard of like some movies maybe it was on like the indie market

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_06]: or on like a completely different market from like big big blip us or Hollywood stuff but

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_06]: there's like some movie without the chain or something that only made like like a dollar 75

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_06]: oh yeah you know like like only like a like one person bought a ticket or like two people

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: will take it and I was like well that feels like that has to be the biggest financial flop

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah maybe so but I think you know like you said adjusted for inflation you know if

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_06]: if your movie costs $2,000 to make and someone buys a ticket for five dollars and that's all

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the money you make and see that's quite different from 200 something million dollars and only making like

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah yeah losing out on like 50% of your budget yeah because like what does that money go

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_06]: you know you spend $200 million dollars to make a movie only make a hundred million dollars

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that hundreds that other hundred millions gone yeah never getting it back people lose their money yeah

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: so they can investments and then I mean and there are still a few original films that are

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: making a lot of money like I'm but again I think that's a big name draw like Christopher Nolan

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: like Dunkirk was a hit for sure but that's I mean Christopher Nolan is it has a huge

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: drop because of dark night trilogy and inception and he's got his new movie coming out

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_06]: tenant I don't know the Hans Zimmer rejected it because he couldn't say no to do

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yes and so I mean I'm here for Dune Man now do you think Dune will be a hit that's hard to say

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_03]: directed by the Blade Runner 249 director which was a flop financially because I loved Blade Runner

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_06]: 249 but I can see how that wouldn't reach modern audiences much like I think the original Blade Runner

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_06]: wouldn't really reach modern audiences and Dune it's gonna be interesting it's very thick

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I've seen the original Dune and I've read Dune and it's very like modern audiences I don't think

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_06]: they're going to like I'm not saying I'm above them because I enjoy it or understand it but

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't really think they're gonna enjoy it I think it'll probably be fun you heard it here first

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: to see yeah I think it's gonna be amazing though oh yeah you know it's gonna look great yeah

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think so it could be wrong but he finally won an Oscar for Blade Runner right he did yeah so

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: all right well yeah all right well anything else

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: okay cool all right well I guess we can just kind of end off if you haven't

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_03]: heard the some of the other recent bonus shows before we we like to end off these with our top five

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: highs and lows and so we're just kind of picking the our top five and bottom five moments or

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: our aspects of the films we've discussed and so in this case usually there are more than two but

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: we're just gonna be tackling Jupiter sending and and the layering so Jacob why don't you

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_06]: kick us off here with your five highs my highs in no particular order cardelevine in

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Valery and just really love her performance and just the fact that she's acting now you know

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I think she's gonna good job Dane DeHons performance in Valery and because like like the

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_06]: ladies hit her miss and it's nice to see him being the hit rather than the miss

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Eddie Redmayne Jupiter is sending the gravity boots from Jupiter is sending

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_06]: and the world in Valery and just really the world building the the universe that it sort of

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Valery and stuff just love that movie yeah hey me too man me too so how about you

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: starting with five and working my way down so five highs would be

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_03]: the world building and Jupiter sending and in Valery and especially in Valery and just so fleshed out

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and so interesting and inspired for the Rihanna dance sequence in Valery and amazing visually

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: music wise as well I three like also like you car a delivine in Valery and just really interesting

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: fun performance and I I really like your in it as well as well as the character of Loreline

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and just the sci-fi context then the sci-fi ideas mostly in Valery and some in Jupiter is

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: sending but more so in Valery and just yeah just like yeah like we said just kind of

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: sprinkle throughout very interesting to think about and they don't over explain themselves

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: they just let the world be as it is and then one the originality of Valery and the non-Francise

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_03]: oriented style of it's just a it's own thing and while it is based off a common book series

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: it just feels very standalone and just telling one story you know and I love that so

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: all right well Lose Jacob it's time for Lose Lose that one scene from Valery and that I feel

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that the acting sort of just drops out of the movie you know appear at home pop it in your DVD player

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and check it out check out that scene yeah changing takemps dog ears brutal little rough yeah

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: little rough yeah um these are always so much more so much more difficult you know

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: talking about love in the movie yeah man have you read me?

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_06]: uh the fact that Jupiter sending was kind of just like forgettable you know I feel like as opposed

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_06]: to Valery and it had a big opportunity to build this a really interesting sci-fi world in it

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of just didn't yeah train keep the key and more like positives yeah well you want me to go

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I'd do more all right we're good um the fact that Valery and

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: could not just be a longer movie just more sure more to do in that world yeah you know or a sequel

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or perhaps a couple more hours okay three three and a half one hours long yeah

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: uh probably something else about Jupiter is and then probably just one well I have one that maybe

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you'll you'll agree with so one five for me is that I have forgotten to mention it in our review

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the the goofy like Russian family of me laconus at the beginning just terrible so over the top

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and unnecessary yeah so that's Jacob's number one so yeah just not enjoyable not really that funny

[01:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: unnecessary for is like you said chaining takem to look in Jupiter sending just not

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_03]: very lame and silly dog man yeah the ears are terrible his hair um all that stuff

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: uh and then the final sequence in Valery and that just kind of falls into pretty generic

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: storytelling and resolutions and and then also the goofy script in Jupiter sending the idea of just

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_03]: these injecting weird ideas for the hell of it which at times works and I applaud them for doing it but

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it needed to be handled with a little more finesse than it was and so I guess the goofy script

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: combined with the weak direction some of those sequences just didn't really help build the

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: world and kind of took you out of it um and then number one mr red main in Jupiter sending so

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_06]: very that's it controversial there yeah and complete obscenities of the poll hottick hottick

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: hottick it's all about hottick's here yeah so all right well I guess guess that about does it

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Jacob you have anything else you want to throw him no good show yeah can't wait the next one yeah man

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and so yeah I guess that about does it for us this time around make sure to follow us on social media

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[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_03]: be uh back doing the regular show on the Lion King and 10 things I hate about you and Chloe will be back

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: as we as we mentioned and uh the music buds is still coming up we're gonna try and maybe do that on Monday

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: a couple days from now and so all you know plenty of content coming your way in one way or the other and

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's gonna be some stuff to look forward to and I'm not sure about in terms of our next

[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: bonus show I don't really know just yet maybe Jacob if you want to come back man we'll figure out

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_06]: another one to do I don't know I wonder if I should go see maybe maybe man we're going to see crawl

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_03]: oh I saw crawl it's good it's good no I actually genuinely it's good yeah right um was it isn't it

[01:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: directed by Sam Remy produced it's done by Alexander Ajah who did horns and the hills have eyes

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_06]: remake the one with Dana Radcliffe he's in and I saw a trailer have you seen the Lion King yet yes

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw a trailer before the Lion King for Play Mobile the movie you know the um no it's

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_06]: it's that brand of toys that uh we've got like the Lego movie now right and uh the emoji movie

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I feel like this is definitely because of the popularity of um of the Lego movie yeah

[01:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: we have Angry Birds as well no good Lord I have not I did not see the trailer for that

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: James Bond looking guy here is the main character well I'm sure Chloe will be in for that so

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a real yeah interesting you know yeah cinema at its finest you know give Gaffigan no okay it's there

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_03]: there you go um but yeah so uh not really sure about what the next bonus show will be but you know we'll

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: keep you updated and if you have an ideas the film buds podcast at gmail.com is where you can

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[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: more exposure uh well Jacob man as always it's a pleasure thanks for taking the time

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: taking the drive you know it's always great to see and I guess we're gonna go enjoy a little chicken

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_06]: are we not yeah gracious mother generosity yes above the faredes of uh Henry's family yes thank you

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: uh taking me under there we're taking you're moving into morrow no so

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: all right well we hope you enjoyed the show as much as we did and we'll see you next time